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Jon (7/19/2009)
Last year we were huddled at the bottom of the hill at the American Museum in Bath, up top a battery of Confederate Artillery were letting rip, beside us a six pounder was giving as good as we got, to the far right a line regiment opened up with it's first volley and smoke started to descend across the field.
Ah ... so maybe those firework sounds weren't fireworks after all?
Marios
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Varg (1/27/2010)
On top of that I am assuming re-enactment cost a lot more to do what with all the in date attire and metal weaponary.
I have not re-enacted for a few years but actually I would say the difference in cost is minimal and if anything re-enactment is cheaper. Like all hobbies costs very much depends on what you put into it.
Both have costume and other accessories you choose to buy though their are standards set for most re-enactment groups but there is often help there to make it yourself or get it made in group.
But the big difference is I pay to go away to Larp, the event cost, I did not when i re-enacted, I often got fed out of group money so my only cost was my kit and getting to the event.
As for metal weapons many groups will have some you can borrow at least to start with.
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TomJ (2/5/2010)
I have not re-enacted for a few years but actually I would say the difference in cost is minimal and if anything re-enactment is cheaper. Like all hobbies costs very much depends on what you put into it. ... But the big difference is I pay to go away to Larp, the event cost, I did not when i re-enacted, I often got fed out of group money so my only cost was my kit and getting to the event.
As for metal weapons many groups will have some you can borrow at least to start with. Fully agree, re-enactment can be much cheaper. Most societies have an annual membership fee (£15 or so), but most actual events are free or ridiculously cheap (I've never paid more than £20, and that was for a private event not a show that was fully catered). Kit costs, it depends what you want. Most re-enactment groups have spares of all the stuff anyway, so you don't need to buy it to start off. You can pick up a spear for £25 (£15 head, £10 shaft), a shield for £25 (£15 metal boss, £10 piece of plywood). You can make a set of clothes for £50. That's £100, enough to buy a single larp weapon. On the other hand, metal swords are more expensive than latex- £80 to £200, generally. Helmet and armour prices range widely depending on your period and if you're going bespoke or not, but it's generally possible to get off-the-shelf things for the same price as Norton Armouries. It's the jewellry that really costs the money, I find. Belt fittings, rings, arm rings, necklaces of authentic beads, beautiful cast metal buttons... That's where my re-enactment cash disappears.
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Ian Sturrock (11/23/2009)
Eh? What are you on about now?!? Most butted mail is at least as heavy as real medieval riveted mail, and a lot of butted mail is much heavier (that old-fashioned spring steel washer stuff that a lot of old-school re-enactors wear).
Real 14th-15th century riveted mail haubergeons & hauberks only weighed around 20 to 30 pounds. They weren't especially heavy. Certainly when I switched to riveted mail a couple of years back, I found my 20-pound riveted hauberk way lighter than my old butted one. The founder of the re-enactment group I'm in (British Plate Armour Society) has an antique 16th century hauberk that weighs even less than my reproduction one. Heavier is not necessarily better, with armour!
As for the "best re-enactment groups" -- that is 100% a matter of personal choice, and what one wants to get out of re-enactment. There is absolutely no accounting for taste.I have a tendancy to agree with the majority of what you said Ian, and yes, that was my personal choice / opinion. Unfortunately over here in the UK, people have a tendancy of wearing (as a generalisation) quite light butted mail and historically in-accurate chainmail to the period of the Viking Age, I cannot speak for the Medieval age as i find that historical accuracy is a lot easier to decipher due to more information being available, chemical dyes being more authentic, and of course, the invention of butted chainmail. I agree to what you say about the armour Ian with regards heaver is not necessarily better, i think we are just talking about different periods of historical time, as we both know, Chain progressed and ebbed and flowed throughout time. While I agree its quite different with regards the Medieval age of Re-enactment, butted mail didn't exsist back in the Viking age (or so we can see thus far) so while its accepted for simplicity purposes, it narks me off quite heavily that you get what we call "Jubbly Re-enactors" which look down on LARP, when there costume is just as bad. I've actually seen people using LARP Gambesons in re-enactment before, I wasnt impressed.
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| For me it's phrases like "just as bad" when describing kit that annoys. My kit is as good as or better than many reenactors- for the intended purpose- it is not intended to be historically accurate, as history often has no relevance. I'm not saying we don't get some blatantly crap examples of kit, we definitely do, but using the kit standards of a viking reenctment society as a basis for how good someones LRP goblin kit is ....... come on! LRP is not reenactment for people who can't be bothered, it explores a whole load of other creative opportunites. Even Historical LRP tends to dive into the holes between evidence or use myth to fill them, rather than recreate history. Reenactment is about attempting to accurately recreate, LRP is about reinventing or attempting to create anew. They're different things.
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| I agree Andy, and to be honest with you, more people LARP, and the market for LARP is larger, its a shame that this country has such a odd view of LARP, because in Denmark and so on, when Lord of the Rings came out, i'm told that in children LARP was almost as popular as kids going and playing football in the park. It also has international news coverage in countries like germany, denmark and so on, so, i know this is a bit off subject, but its a shame isnt it, that this country started it, yet again however its grown far more prominent, and respected by the general masses (which i have to say the general Masses of the UK is bloody ignorant). Anyway, i suppose what i am saying in a very long rounded way, is LARP is awesome.
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| Im not sure anyone can claim to have 'invented' LRP. All it is is a set of rules by which we play a make believe game. Kids do this in the playground all the time. LRP in various forms has arguably going on for longer than dreamed of in the world of rubber swords... *thinks* Oh and I know plenty of Danish folk (ok 5) who havent got a clue about LRP so im not sure its as popular as football in the park yet.
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Prodigal
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This thread has been going for four years ... can't we let it die?
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Eos: Manius Shard. Green and gold shiny healy thing.
Shadow Wars: Johnny Hyper, Hack the Planet!
Odyssey: Was Prince Ramekhet IV, of the line of Nectanebo etc etc; now Quintus Antoninus, sentimental fool err... philosopher of Rome.
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Wag
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theshoveller (3/8/2010)
This thread has been going for four years ... can't we let it die?
Dude, this thread has pedigree. A few more years and it'll be authentic...
A genuine forum thread from the mid noughties, complete with original hand crafted posts.
History is an important source for LRP. Along with other works of fiction.
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Wag
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Didn't we import this thread from pagga?
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- Riftworld:
Lyria; Morgan Doosh; 'Spanners'; Tamarind of Ruunar - Artificer: Lady Evron (Survivor!)
- M&M: Miss Emily Mortimer
- Blood Red Roses: Miss Audhild Godwinson
- Crusades: Jumanah Amal
- Odyssey: Julia Tiberillus, 'Ridea', of the Cruentus Anatidae
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