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Posted Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:52 PM


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I've been having a poke around the web and have discovered a few useful links for people. I thought it would be a good idea for us all to add links and so on as we find them, to create a handy resource for other players. Try to keep things accurate to the period. I suggest we all stick to a standard posting format - how's this...

Site Name - description (a little bit about what's there, e.g. "men's outfits, civilian only, prices from about £100 - £600") - link

To get things rolling...

Pemberley Information - a neat diagram showing changing ladies' fashions from 1799 to 1890 - http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/17941887.jpg

Sutlers Costumes - authentic (and expensive) outfits, including a wide range of uniforms, civilian men's clothes, a very limited range of women's clothes, shoes, hats and other handy things - http://www.sutlers.co.uk/Sections2.html

Farthingale Costume Hire - costume hire and purchase store based in Bath, reasonable prices and some lovely pieces for men and women (boots in particular are very good prices) - http://www.farthingalecostumes.com/



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Posted Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:55 PM


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Oh, good topic idea.

Our minimum guidelines are on the website here: http://miteyheroes.co.uk/aliens/costume.html

That Pemberley site is a must-see. This page basically tells you EVERYTHING about fashion for ladies: http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/ppbrokil.html

And the same, for men: http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/rgnclfil.html

Wikipedia isn't bad for basics, on men and women: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1795-1820_in_fashion and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1820s_in_fashion

Finally, this page tells you everything you'd need to know about cravat styles. Fascinating! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~awoodley/regency/tie.html

Remember that this event is early 1821. The Victorian-style fashions (especially corsets & petticoats) haven't yet arrived. The most fashionable ladies have started experimenting with lower waistlines, but they're still quite high and that's it.

Anyway. Here are my basic costume notes. Just to use as a spring-board.

LADIES

Ladies clothes at this time were remarkably unrestrictive. Ankle-length, with no bustles, no crinolines or heavy full skirts, no hoped skirts, no external corsets. Instead dresses were relatively loose and flowing.
Corsets/stays could worn under the dress, but weren't as severe as later Victorian designs. And they shouldn't be visible in any way.
Waistlines were high, short bodied. Slightly lower waistlines are the cutting edge of fashion, and are seen as a bit silly and very modern. But still, waistlines aren't really anywhere near the waist!

So, what does this mean for us? Basically, that Ladies should wear simple long dresses (or, at a push, skirts). Ideally this dress would be pale. In the perfect world, no dresses would be strappy or shoulderless. Shawls aren't a bad way to conceal shoulders if a perfect dress can’t be found.
Dresses should have high waistlines. Luckily, high-waisted dresses seem to be quite widely available at the moment (although they're normally strappy or shoulderless, they'd work well with a shawl or some sort of jacket.)
Jackets and coats are useful for outdoor wear. These can be more tailored. Also, as the event may well be chilly if/when you go outside, we won't kick up a fuss if outside wear isn't as historical. Hyperthermia is bad. The comfort of you guys matters more than being historically accurate!
But please, no external corsets or no huge petticoats. Fashion was based on Classical images, not the Gothic designs of the Victorian era.
Oh, and trousers are just right out!

GENTLEMEN

The most fashion-savvy gentlemen wore waistcoats (waist-length & flat-bottomed), tail coats, cravats (or stocks or similar neck-coverings) and either white linen breeches with high white socks/stockings or trousers. Top hats would be worn outdoors, but gentlemen don't wear hats indoors. Less snappy styles were black trousers and less well-tailored coats.

So, how do we get close to this? For a start, all gentlemen should wear white long-sleeved shirts and waistcoats. Any plain white shirt with a collar will do- wing collars are best, but dress shirts, normal £3 Primark ones or LARP shirts will all do. Flat-bottomed waistcoats are best, pointy-bottomed waistcoats are fine, and earlier-style long ones will do (although long ones are seen as very old fashioned).

Some sort of smart dark coloured coat is also needed- ideally what we now regard as a white tie tailcoat, but long black morning dress coats or black frock coats are fairly close. In a pinch, if you can't get anything else, formal black tie jackets, dark coloured overcoats or black suit jackets will have to do.
Modern-style ties or bowties aren't right, but neither is a bare neck. Ideally formal white cravats would be worn, but anything that looks vaguely right will be accepted (i.e. just get some white cloth and wrap it round your neck).
Trousers should be white, grey or black. Knee-length/just-below-knee-length breeches with high socks are even better, if you can find them. Shoes or boots are black leather, generally.

You can be pretty much perfect by wearing modern formal morning dress or white tie (available for hire from Moss Bros, etc).

OFFICERS

Historically, different regiments wore different coloured jackets and these varied quite a lot. We've modified this. All officers (from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales) should wear a military cut jacket in the appropriate colour- Dark Blue for the Navy, Bright Red for the Army, and Bottle Green for the Aerial Corps. White, black and gold are all popular colours for details and facings. Foreigners wear a variety of different colours.

Jackets can be waist-length or longer, and can be open or closed.

Male officers also wear bits from standard gentlemen's attire: white long-sleeved shirts, some sort of cravat, and trousers/breeches (in black/grey/white). Waistcoats are recommended if your military jacket is in an open style. Waistcoat colours are entirely up to the wearer. Gold is always popular, but so are ones in colours that match or contrast with the jacket.

Ladies from the Aerial Corps have difficult fashion decisions to make. Do they wear normal female attire? Or some sort of officer's attire? It's a minefield, and as female officers have only been public knowledge for just over a decade they're still working out their stance on fashion. In general at public occassions lady officers wear female attire (floor-length dresses or blouse and skirt) paired with a green military-style jacket. Or floor-length green dresses with military style details. Only in informal circumstances (when riding dragons, for example) do female officiers wear trousers, and non-Corps society still regards trousers on lady officers as utterly shocking (so really really inappropriate for our event). There are rumours they wear trousers under their dresses...

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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:19 PM
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Patterns I've found useful, if anyone's wanting to sew their own:

For Austin-style women, it's easy. They'd all be slightly old-fashioned, but only by a year or so.

Simplicity 4055 (http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4055)
Burda 2493 (http://www.burdafashion.com/en/Patterns/Carneval_Halloween/2493_Empire-line_dress/1270778-1128999-1129019-1004001.html)
Butterick B4890 (http://www.butterick.com/item/B4890.htm??tab=list/costumes&page=all) Is lovely but not practical without adapting.

For guys, and women in the Arial Corps, it's a lot harder. Burda 2471 is Napoleonic and so adaptable (http://www.burdafashion.com/en/Patterns/Carneval_Halloween/2471_Napoleon/1270778-1128999-1129019-1004338.html), but that's the best I've found. There's a fair number of Victorian or Civil War costumes that could be adapted but it's probably easier to adapt something bought rather than make it from scratch.

Hill & Bucknell's "The Evolution of Fashion 1066 - 1930" only gives patterns for 1815 and 1825 but it gives a lot of advice on materials, accesories, movement and posture for men and women at both points which I can type in if peopel want.


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Posted Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:47 PM
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Jessaym's Recency Costume - examples of woman's costume and changing fashion. One partial pattern, a few sewing tips - http://www.songsmyth.com/daydresses.html#1805.

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Posted Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:15 PM


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The big ren markets should be happening soon up in Warwick. I don't know if they have any Regency period stuff, but I'm aiming to go to both and take a look.

http://www.livinghistoryfairs.com/

http://www.reenactorsmarket.co.uk/

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Posted Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:48 PM


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The Re-enactment Markets normally have some Napoleonic stuff. Not huge quantities, but some. They're better for earlier periods, generally. Also, they're probably better for military stuff than civilian wear?

The HCC (http://www.thehcc.co.uk/) goes to the LHF (27th Feb-1st March). The HCC are brilliant for really really fancy military kit (as discussed in this thread about Napoleonic costume: http://forums.rule7.co.uk/Topic41082-32-1.aspx).

TORM is the 13th-15th March.

Personally, I prefer TORM. But I go to both of them anyway...

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Posted Friday, February 20, 2009 3:20 PM


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Does anybody have any thoughts on the issue of footware?

For events in the past I've either gone with my mediaeval style bucket boots or walking boots.

I'm not sure what to do for Regency - at least what to do without breaking the bank. Anybody have any good ideas?

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Posted Friday, February 20, 2009 4:09 PM


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Historically, men wore plain black slip-on or buckled shoes (not laced like modern shoes, but sometimes with cloth ties) inside, and long black riding boots outside.

For our purposes, black laced shoes, black laced army boots, black pirate boots or just about anything as long as it's black is good. If you don't own any black shoes, I'm sure you can find something in Shoe Zone or wherever for almost nothing.

Women? Whatever you want. Extremely high heels aren't really historical, flats were much more popular- http://www.songsmyth.com/shoes.html has some pretty pictures. But if you really want to wear heels, go for it.

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Posted Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:35 PM
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Apparently a major fashion trend at the time was towards the moddified Hessian style boots worn and popularised by the recent and famous war hero Sir Arthur Welsley.

He wanted boots that he could wear in the field that he could also wear to the dinners later in the evening.

A boot with a nearly flat heel, cut half way up the calf with a flat edge.

In his honour they were known as Wellington Boots. Although the modern rubberised styles did not exist until the 1860's.

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Posted Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:12 PM


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Hi all,

at the Living History Fair this weekend and chatted to a guy called Chris who supplies Regency Costume - civilian and military.

Here's his website for people to check-out.

[url=http://www.farthingalecostumes.com/][/url]

Very nice quality stuff and he supplies to order.

Ian



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