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Ravensbourne (7/28/2006)
'More realism' is not as important in my book as 'less realworldism'.
So drinking out of a tankard, a goblet, a horn, or a lady's slipper are all fine (but may raise some IC eyebrows) while drinking out of a can or a bottle with RW branding all over it is not so fine (and wouldn't draw IC comment).
But half the time, drinking happens late at night round a campfire when it's hard to see any labels on anything. In that context it doesn't really matter what you're drinking out of - so long as it gets binned before the sun comes up.
Chris,
When people say realism, they mean as appropriate to the game setting, rather than as appropriate to the real world.
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| Marcus - I used to think the same as you do, but now I realise that there are people out there happy to LRP on a basic level and have fun doing it. If you or I turn up and start shouting the odds about their gaffa weapons, lager cans and trainers then maybe we are in the wrong? They're enjoying themselves why bother them? However if they are on an event that the organisers have set a min standard and they disregard it then it's tar and featherin' time.
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Tart (7/28/2006)
Because my immersion in an IC world isn't usuallya delicate thing which is shattered completely by the sight of one thing that isn't totally authentic. However, it is something which can get worn down by repeatedly seeing things that blatantly don't fit the setting. Modern fabrics don't count; unless you play in very strictly historical settings (which I currently don't), then as long as they look vaguely old-fashioned they're unlikely tobe out of place. *sigh* so things that "Pass" while not authentic are ok? and things that blatantly don't fit aren't. Please see my list of everything you get at a standard LRP game that blatantly don't fit that you put up with... Yes, but most of the things on that list are either health issues (glasses, non-metal weapons) or things that would be very expensive to change (e.g. boots, modern buildings). It's not about eliminating every single thing that doesn't fit the gameworld, it's about encouraging people to reduce the number of visible things that don't fit the gameworld.
WARNING: the information above may have been subjected to dangerously high levels of ignorance.
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Mikey (7/28/2006)
When people say realism, they mean as appropriate to the game setting, rather than as appropriate to the real world.
Yes, but can you think of a better word that encapsulates 'those unpleasant reminders of OOC mundanity' than 'realworldism'? (I'm sure there must be one)
'Unrealistic' in a fantasy setting might equally describe metallica T-shirts and space marines, and even just the wrong kind of fantasy (eg elves in Maelstrom).
I'm arguing that the kind of jolt produced by seeing 19th century costume at a medieval-esque event is a different kind of jolt from that evinced by coca cola or big brother. They work at different levels of awareness, and take different strategies to ignore/incorporate.
(chris)
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Tart (7/28/2006)
But who defines what is approriate?
Marcus has already neatly summed this up.
and why push the bar? why is more "realism" better?
Not "realism", but "immersion". I must confess, I've been making the assumption that most people prefer immersive events - because if we didn't want to be immersed in the fantasy world, I don't know why we'd be doing this hobby rather than another one.
and if you can't control what irritates you, I find that very very sad.
*sigh* I can't control what irritates me, but of course I can control extremely well how I react to sources of irritation. If you can't grasp the difference between those 2, then I find that very, very sad...
Starting to remember why I avoided arguing on LRP boards for quite a while.
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KatieRennie (7/28/2006)
[quote]Not "realism", but "immersion". I must confess, I've been making the assumption that most people prefer immersive events - because if we didn't want to be immersed in the fantasy world, I don't know why we'd be doing this hobby rather than another one.
I can’t understand why somebody would not want to play a game as immersed as possible. I really don’t want to be elitist. I’m not choosing to be elitist. I believe seriously that I do the bare minimum acceptable to play a game. It’s not my fault that what I think is the bare minimum some people describe as “hardcore”
KatieRennie (7/28/2006)
[quote]*sigh* I can't control what irritates me, but of course I can control extremely well how I react to sources of irritation. If you can't grasp the difference between those 2, then I find that very, very sad...
It is possible to control what irritates you Katie. Of course, you’ve got to strangle a lot of people to get to that stage.
KatieRennie (7/28/2006)
[quote]*Starting to remember why I avoided arguing on LRP boards for quite a while.
Because you start hearing the them from “Meet the Smoggies” every time you so? Me too!
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This argument is very circular now and it seems to boil to people arbitarily deciding what is acceptable, and what is not. Or what is an acceptable level of effort/money to is to achieve these things: despite the fact that these are subjective.
Perhaps someone doesn't want to trawl around for 3hrs searching charity shops for a tankard? I know I don't. Or doesn't think that £10 is worth the effort when, at the end of the day, it's just a coke can.
As a side note, I find people who "can't control what irritates them" to be very lazy in their approach to their thoughts.
Of course you can control your thoughts - How do you think you get over predjudices? or heartbreak? or whatever?
Or do you honestly think all the people who say things like "i used to be a skinhead, and a racist, but i've learned from my mistakes, i've moved on" are lying??
If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kickboxing.
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Shelford (7/28/2006)
Marcus - I used to think the same as you do, but now I realise that there are people out there happy to LRP on a basic level and have fun doing it. If you or I turn up and start shouting the odds about their gaffa weapons, lager cans and trainers then maybe we are in the wrong? They're enjoying themselves why bother them?My point exactly. There are different levels on which we can view social pressure. Whilst it would be nice if there were a common standard held up by the whole LRP community, anyone who has met more than one LRPer will soon see that's never going to happen. On the other hand, we can try to get subsets of the community - namely attendees of particular systems - to conform to a common ideal. For me, that ideal excludes blatantly drinking from highly visibly out of genre vessels where it can be avoided. However, I won't start harassing people in systems where low standards are the norm. I'll probably stop going, but that doesn't make their take on what's important in LRP less valid for them. It shouldn't be up to the event organisers to explicitly set out in detail all the social conventions they wish players to adhere to, it is much more sensible to let the players find their level within the limits of what the organisers deem acceptable. Incidentally, I find bottles far less jarring than cans. I can even blank plastic 500ml bottles in the same way I can accept plastic pint glasses as glass containers. It's less than ideal, but better than cans.
You're entitled to your opinion as long as you realise it's wrong.
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