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Posted Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:42 PM
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Sarah (7/25/2006)


I knew that was coming...

However Simon, given that some people think LRP is just a game, the question is - is that an acceptable excuse to be a bit lame?

Given that you dont think LRP isa game, presumably you dont accept "Its just a game" as an excuse for crapness, and if anyone used that excuse on you, you would respond by saying "No, it isnt."


Heh, it depends.

If someone said to me "I can't be bothered to take this seriously, cos it's just a game" my response would be "Then get out of elitist way, pleb!" or, more accurately I would say "If you won't take this seriously, then I won't take you seriously" and ignore them. The worst thing in the world is for people to start to feel self-concious about LRPing because they feel that people aren't being serious.




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Posted Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:35 PM
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I think the issue is partly due to the long and largely pointless debate over whether larp is mainly a game or an artform (to which my rather woolly response is that it’s probably both, but it depends on how you define those terms).

I’m somewhat wary of defining larp mainly as an artform, because things that get defined as artforms seem to have a tendency to generate a lot of pretension. I like sketching, and reading stories. It really infuriates me when a certain type of person starts announcing that a book or a painting that gets a genuine emotional reaction from people is fundamentally inferior to one which has lots of obscure references that aren’t very interesting, or a very experimental technique that doesn’t work very well*. I’d hate it if the same thing happened to larp- if we got to the stage where the question of whether people enjoyed an event is irrelevant compared to how intellectual it looks on paper.

One way to try to stave off this effect is to try to de-emphasise the art side of larp by stressing the idea that "it’s only a game". I approve of this approach in some situations. It just gets overused.

One thing that really irritates me is when people say "it’s only a game" in response to someone complaining about people bending the rules to suit themselves. If it’s a game, then it’s a game that only works if people respect the rules- I know that in some rules-light games it’s acceptable to ignore certain rules under certain circumstances, but that’s only because there’s effectively another rule telling people that it’s appropriate for them to do so.

* this isn’t to say that you can’t have obscure references which are interesting, or an experimental technique that revolutionises things- those are very nice bonuses, but if people look at the end result and feel nothing then there’s no point in them trying to appreciate it because it’s clever.


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Posted Tuesday, July 25, 2006 5:53 PM
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You know what I really hate. People who just post "I agree with X" and don't add anything more to a debate. So, with that in mind.

1. I like fishfingers
2. I agree with Carrie

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Posted Tuesday, July 25, 2006 6:14 PM
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OK, quick straw poll

If someone is openly drinking a can of coke in an IC area at maelstrom (just an example I picked out of the air). And you have a go because it's spoiling your immersion. To which they reply "Chill out, it's only a game". Bearing in mind that you personally had to drop OOC to go and berate him. Would this A) infuriate you beyond belief and have the refs escort them offsite? B) Think 'He's a bit of a wanker' and go about your business making a point of not interacting with him in future? C) Think 'He's got a point but he should get a more appropriate drinking vessel' and say nothing more about it? D) Chill out and realise it is only a game?

Personally, I would go for the C option. The thing is that other people have different perceptions of play than you do and some may not go to the extremes that others do with kit and such. I must admit, I have used the Chill out, it's only a game line on at least one occasion that I can recall, but that was for a self proclaimed member of the kit police. (not at maelstrom you understand. And that was designed to infuriate him further as I took an instant dislike to the little prick.)

But hey ho.

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Posted Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:19 AM


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I always find myself torn.  On the one hand I enjoy going to a game where I see lovely kit and I get a chance to really immerse myself in a role.  On the other hand I don't want to make someone lose their love of this game by kicking them about drinking from tinnies and stuff.  I just prefer games where people take the whole thing (i.e. rules AND roleplay) a bit more seriously then games where they don't.  You have infinite space to draw things from so when you go and ooh... rip off a a certain game company's intellectual property because you're too stupid to think of your own ideas then that annoys me.

So yes, it's a game, but it's not just a game, it's the one week in the year when I get to be somebody I'm not, so don't mess it up for me, kthxbai.


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Posted Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:10 PM
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I think people just have to be more tolerant. I understand that as a player, you wish to attend an event where the physrepping of the environment and the characters within that environment are the best that they can possibly be. There are those who are unwilling to compromise on this, eat, sleep and breathe the IC experience, and so the merest sight of a beer can or a slight OC reference sends them into orbit as it 'ruins their event'. There are also those who are the polar opposite - the ones who barely meet minimum physrep requirements, have the option to speak IC but do not, and may be there just for specific aspects of the event - drinking with mates and hitting people being large draws.

These two groups are in the minority. I believe that this is a fortunate thing. I want to be able to drink my Red Bull conveniently from the can in a relatively quiet area without some elitist idiot telling me that I should pour that into a suitably IC vessel before consumption of my beverage, which will most likely be of a 30-second duration. Yet I also want to feel that, for at least 90% of my event, I am immersed in my character's world, and that trainers, T-shirts and 'humorous' or 'informative' OC comments remain firmly in OC areas.

The problem is where to draw the line. If an event specifies that the physrep requirements are very high and that characters are expected to complete every action whilst on site IC, then fair enough - these rules must be respected for the good of everyone. But the majority of events, including the ones I attend, are flexible. Drinking, eating, pissing and sleeping are all necessary actions, both IC and OC, but your OC requirements in these areas are far more important than your character's. It's with this in mind that I don't take offence to OC drinking vessels, food in wrapping and people dropping OC to drop the kids off - it's more convenient and quicker to do these things OC. My response to anyone with a problem with this would be apologetic, but I'd take issue with not being able to perform necessary OC tasks as I wish.

People also have to realise that the majority of people are trying to make the experience for others as good as they can. Often, physreps are the best that people can personally provide or afford, and I appreciate their efforts. It is only when it is clear that little effort has been made that I feel cheated - just because you might consider the standard of someone's kit or level of roleplaying to be lower than yours, does not necessarily mean that they are not trying as hard as you, merely that they may have less experience or access to resources.

Try your best, and I find that the majority of people are happy. You can't please everyone all the time, and I stopped trying to do that a long time ago. The more tolerance there is at a LARP event, the better time everyone has, I personally find.

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Posted Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:37 PM


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[Sarah here]

It depends on the event as well. At most small scale events, it is considerably less acceptable to (for example) drink from the can.

 

And besides, its not just the time you will be drinking from the can (which is usually more than a few seconds), its the time the can is left lying around

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Posted Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:35 AM


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I don't have that much of a problem with people drinking out of OOC cans and bottles (although I always drink from an IC tankard), but when people leave said cans lying around or eat their dinner out of blatantly OOC packaging in the middle of an IC area it does bug me.

I have been known to utter the phrase "it's only a game" but only when people are being really anal about something quite, quite petty (such as a first-timer not having 'proper' kit).


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