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| If we can avoid it that would be a good thing but there will be moments when the RP will get intense. People may end up in situations where bad things are happening to their character and they really need an out. I would much rather people could use that rather than have an awful experience and never return to the system. Hopefully knowing that they can 'tap out' will make them comfortable enough to stick it out. Will talk it over with Joe tomorrow. Oli
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Squire
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| Id worry that if you put in a "tap out" then some players may, knowing this push things further than they would normally. I'd like to think it comes down to common sense. Also if you make a safe word what stops people crying wolf, if they get into a situation they have caused only to realise they dont like the result? For example mocking and orcs attempt to talk to a land sprit, then when his six mates react.. realising your in deep and dont like it.
The fool does think he is wise, The wise man knows himself to be a fool. Its all part of the plan Insurrection - Zaggrakk Wolfwalker of the Wolfpaw Clan Child of the Portly Pixie
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Squire
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| Ah sorry I was enquiring for situations like but not limited to : -Your a pretty concubine, come back to my tent and pleasure me. (social) - get on your hands and knees and act like a chair (medical bad back?) - Id prefer it if you were chained up and scanticily clad (Claustrophobia / social) -Lick my boots (hygiene) "slaves" are most likely to be abused, some are ok with this and especially with people you know. BUT say for example I was playing an Orc General with Rank, I could probably (im guessing) boss other peoples slaves about. Being able to use some common sense and say OOC My character is doing those things but I am physically NOT going to use your imagination is one thing, being hardcore and saying you have to is another. To be honest I am not sure where I stand on verbal abuse.... From a LARP point of view I dont like being tied up (call me paranoid ) I am quite happy to loosely wrap a rope round my hands and "pretend" but I have been to an event where I was derived for suggesting this solution...Better to iron these things out before time in
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Heroic Knight
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Is it too much to expect people playing the elder races to display some maturity as well?
I would have thought that anything that might actually be construed as degrading (acting as a chair, licking boots etc) is only likely to happen between friends who know each others roleplaying limits. There's a couple of people who I would feel happy to say that to knowing not only that they'd do it, but that they'd do a really good job of it. And that I would IC pay for it later.
I think having a safety word system allows people to delegate their responsibility. A slave-master might get carried away in bossing round a slave played by someone they don't know thinking that everything is fine because the safety word hasn't been used; actually the slave is being played by a newbie who feels intimidated about "tapping out" despite being very uncomfortable with the situation.
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And I shall dwell forever in the house of the Lord... *ping* ...fire in the hole.
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| I think first and foremost, common sense and maturity are the best defences against abuse like this. For example, I tend to think that I'm pretty hardcore, but if I'm playing a slave and my IC master demands I lick their muddy boots clean, no way am I going to do that! I'll get on my knees, sure, and I might either lick my hand and rub that on their boot, or spit on the boot and again wipe with my hand. I might even smear some mud on my face if I was feeling particularly immersed. But actually touch my tongue to the mud? Not so much. Now, if you're more hardcore than me and you want to do that stuff, be my guest, but please don't feel there's an obligation on you from the Insurrection team. The easiest analogy I have is what my kung fu teacher says -- if you're in pain, you should stop training, but if you're only experiencing discomfort, you should probably carry on. Crucially, he doesn't say this with some kind of macho expectation that we should all just man the hell up and pretend like it doesn't hurt if it does. So, in Insurrection, if something's making you uncomfortable, I'd probably say carry on -- that's kind of where the fun comes from in some ways. Having your boundaries pushed can even be fun. But if it's genuinely going to make you freak out OOC, then of course you stop - either as a "fade to black" or just saying "look, my character will go along with this" and taking the negative (and positive) IC consequences, but not having to roleplay through something that will wreck you OOC. Oli and I would rather have the facility for people to tap out, and have no one use it, than give the impression that we want people to be all macho about stuff and have loads of people freaking out. But, seriously, just be sensible and we should all be fine. We want the event to be dark, but if it's causing problems for someone OOC then that's not cool. Much as I hate fun, I want people who come to Insurrection to have fun, if only so I can then destroy it ;-)
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Insurrection LRP: high fantasy in a dystopian setting.
Bladelands: Raoul Ortez - heretic, medium, bodyguard and scumbag
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Squire
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I think you put it well from the off, Humans are like live stock, right? Pack horse and the like. Well even if you could speak the same language as a horse, and it would obey your commands would you make it lick your boots? No. It wouldn’t demoralise it. You would get no feeling of power, when you stick your hand out and a dog licks it do you feel powerful? No. If you had a personal slave you could make *insert your own fetish here* on command you would. It’s all about breaking there free will, forcing them to do what they really do not want too. That’s were the feeling of power comes from. If it’s widely considered that humans are like animals, without free will then this takes all that power away.
Common sense and a bit of courtesy goes a long way, I mean is “Fetch me a chair Human” That different to “Get down on all fours slave, I want to sit down”? No I don’t think it is from a role-play point of view. But for the player playing the slave I bet it makes a world of game experiance effecting difference. Of course if you know the person playing the slave well, then it’s different again. I spent my younger years role-playing with Jo and oli. In that time we have had full on fist fights (IC) had full on shouting matches, in each other’s faces to the point it did look a bit –too- real. But I would NEVER think about interacting with somebody I didn’t have that friendship bond with in such a way.
There is always another path to take to get the same result if everybody just takes the time to think about other players involved.
Well.. Thats my idea on it anyway.
The fool does think he is wise, The wise man knows himself to be a fool. Its all part of the plan Insurrection - Zaggrakk Wolfwalker of the Wolfpaw Clan Child of the Portly Pixie
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Initiate
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It also does not take much effort, to drop an ooc check that the player is comfortable. if they are not Roleplay them back out of the situation you put them in. dismiss them them what ever.
Matty
Simply complicated
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