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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:42 AM |
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Gordon (7/2/2008) Personally I'm with Matt on the IC trader thing. If I had a choice I'd rather eat at the Jade Lotus than at the burger van. why? because i never have enough IC time at events and eating is a fantastic thing to do IC.
One of my fondest dreams is that someone will finally kill my current character so I can play something that doesn't have to take its mask off to eat...
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:46 AM |
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Agent K (7/2/2008) I still find it interesting that people expect OOC traders to go through training, H&S checks and regular certifications as well as pay the event organiser several times more than punters for the privilege of selling their wares. Whereas if someone is 'selling' those same goods from an IC establishment then everyone seems happy to waiver those same checks and rights. It amazes me as well. I went to my girlfriend's parents' house the other week, and they gave me food. But they didn't have H&S checks or certifications! The food inspectors had never even visited their house! They hadn't even been on a government-approved training course! Surely this is illegal!?!?!
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:52 AM |
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As an aside and no attempt to derail the thread....I've always thought it would be amusing to run an IC soup kitchen with awful food, bad customer service and cheap IC prices....I've a strange feeling players would still use it as a chance to RP complaining!
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:58 AM |
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Matt Pennington (7/2/2008) I think most top fight chefs would look at you a bit funny.
Have those chopsticks been approved by a weapon checker?
bunni (7/2/2008)
I went to my girlfriend's parents' house the other week, and they gave me food. But they didn't have H&S checks or certifications! The food inspectors had never even visited their house! They hadn't even been on a government-approved training course!
The sandwich shop across from where I live has a food safety certificate, "4 Stars, Rating: Good". The takeaway up the road has "3 Stars, Rating: Safe". I've yet to see a professional food shop that has less than 3 Stars, but I think my kitchen would struggle to gain 1 Star. Even so, I've never had food poisoning from food I've prepared myself.
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:33 AM |
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Agent K (7/2/2008) Matt P has stated that given the choice between IC traders and OOC traders he would pick IC traders every time. An interesting point in that with an event where everything is IC there are no guarantees whatsoever of buying what you think you're buying. There are no checks, no liabilities and no recourse if something goes badly wrong. Well thats just plain not true. Although there may be no "official" checks but it does not mean that there is no recourse. If you go to seller A and buy some IC pig in a bun and you get food poisoning there would be the potential to sue seller A. Working on the assumption that by selling you the food for IC cash a contract has not been formed (something I believe to be a grey area) the Tort of Negligence still applies. So there is potential recourse (although I would consider it rather dickish to try and sue someone who IC sold you some food...you know the risks when you buy the food...you didn't have to buy it). Matt J
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:49 AM |
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Shelford (7/2/2008) As an aside and no attempt to derail the thread....I've always thought it would be amusing to run an IC soup kitchen with awful food, bad customer service and cheap IC prices....I've a strange feeling players would still use it as a chance to RP complaining!For the original hootenanny one of our ideas was to provide beans for everyone on site in a big cook off. We even bought a bulk load of 3p tins of beans, but for some reason we never got around to it.
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:57 AM |
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| Uk food saftey laws are here http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/safetyaw.pdf Cant say if they apply to IC catering (Id guess not but I'm not an expert) But plainly its not remotley possible to Remain IC and do catering (because you dont have a sink.. adequate lighting and refrigeration.. etc etc) In short .. If you think IC catering should be subject to the law then I politley request you to p** off. Its not possible. Either shut up or dont eat there
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:58 AM |
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| LRP will always reward IC advantage for OOC expenditure. Always! This can be two mercenary units who decide to start up, both the same amount of fighters. However one group can collectivley afford for them all to bring chainmail phys reps to the events. The other is made up of students and can't afford this. When it comes to pricing services one can offer a premium over the other because of OOC expenditure. There are countless ways of putting this point across, but it comes to the same place. So long as the formula remains OOC Money + effort = IC advantadge then We are good. So long as OOC Money does not equal IC advantadge then we'll be ok! Stu
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:05 AM |
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| I'm sorry, I can't help but feel that the negativity here is more sour grapes than any real concern for the safety of people using IC services. And another thought - if someone really skint goes along to an event with the bare minimum of necessities for the weekend (2 packs of asda Smart Price pasties and some bottled water) because they want to go but can't afford lots of food and booze so they go basic in order to still enjoy their hobby - don't the IC traders make THEIR event that bit more special? For no real world outlay they can have that fabulous meal at the Jade Lotus (something they probably can't afford in the real world) or that massage or those doughnuts. I have been to events where I have been broke and other people have splashed out booze so I have had more than I expected, and in return when well off I (well, we - partner and I) have taken extra booze and food along and shared amongst players and NPC's. Doesn't this IC stuff mean that MORE people with less real world resources get to enjoy the hobby that bit more?
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:22 AM |
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elrohana (7/2/2008)
I'm sorry, I can't help but feel that the negativity here is more sour grapes than any real concern for the safety of people using IC services. And another thought - if someone really skint goes along to an event with the bare minimum of necessities for the weekend (2 packs of asda Smart Price pasties and some bottled water) because they want to go but can't afford lots of food and booze so they go basic in order to still enjoy their hobby - don't the IC traders make THEIR event that bit more special? For no real world outlay they can have that fabulous meal at the Jade Lotus (something they probably can't afford in the real world) or that massage or those doughnuts. I have been to events where I have been broke and other people have splashed out booze so I have had more than I expected, and in return when well off I (well, we - partner and I) have taken extra booze and food along and shared amongst players and NPC's. Doesn't this IC stuff mean that MORE people with less real world resources get to enjoy the hobby that bit more? This. This is an excellent point. I went to the Gathering once, and was very poor at the time. With petrol costs and ticket price, I had £5 to spend that weekend, and £5 worth of food in my tent. Expecting to not be drunk at all, I rather ended up having a ball as I made a little bit of IC cash and could socialise with friends in IC bars, buying rounds there, rather than in the OC bar. In removing that option, I think that the LT have done something detrimental to their game. As Matt has said at length, they are different markets. If I want to drink homebrew for monopoly money, I go IC, if I want to drink fosters or IPA I go OC. To answer Matts question re fun, of course I enjoyed the shoeshiner the most, and judging by the number of people who said 'that is soooo cool' or similar to me, I'd suspect that having the character at events made some people's events better.
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