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Fair enough I just felt that you demonstrated quite nicely the problem with the region as you felt a ranty response was a fair to another rant.
You don't think this might be overtrivialising the situation a tad? If everyone just sat down, had a cup of tea and was a bit more reasonable then, sometime during the third round of cribbage, all the fundamental disagreements would just evaporate ...
If not right then certainly justifiable to you ... but then again I never saw you as the UN.
The UN seems to have become a mystical body through some holistic/synergetic effect sharing none of the of flaws and foibles of it's consitutuent parts. Somehow the UN is more decent and honest and true and humanitarian than the sum of it's parts, in the same way that international law is inherently more moral than national law (I guess if you value national law over international you must be a racist?).
It's a real shame when people start justifying their actions on the grounds of what the other side did first.
Is it? Like declaring war against Germany for invading Belgium?
On what other grounds should a country justify it's actions? Moral imperative? Manifest destiny?
He describes a biased Israeli view point you call them racist - I hope you both feel better. 
Israel is racist, if you define racist as discriminating on grounds race. The same is true for most countries (unless you leap through some hoops and try to separate culture from race - a set of contortions which would work just as well for most famously 'racist' regimes) but it's just not something that comes up if a country is predominantly all one race/culture (which most stable countries are). Look at the converse - it's both undemocratic (and rather pathetic) for a country that 95% ethnic Kazakh to not discriminate in favour of Kazakhs. It's generally subtler to talk in terms of citizenship - the laws discriminate in favour of citizens. Citizens can be any race, but do happen to be 95% ethnic Kazakh (for example). Non-Kazahks can become citizens, but they have to be really useful and have lived in the country for twenty years. Or you can be born to a Kazakh, or marry a Kazakh (theoretically then becoming Kazakh), or come from another country and say "I'm a Kazakh!".
How do you believe the current action by Israel is a solution because at least the EU never made things worse?
The EU really "never made things worse"? Given the size of the EU it seems unlikely that they haven't done something which arguably made things worse. If you include the member states (and their behaviour before shortly before the creation of the EU/early days), then obviously Britain and France have been involved. "Made things worse" isn't a terribly useful phrase for political analysis. Did our behaviour in the Suez Crisis "make things worse"?
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Personally I'd rather the Israely Governmentwere painted as the war mongering, racist maniacs they really are.War-mongering racist maniacs? I’m interested to know why Israel is racist. It allows people of all races and religions to live within its borders as equal citizens. Something no Muslim country does. It does not persecute any particular people. It merely responds to terrorist attacks from other countries who have admitted to trying to wipe it off the map. I didn't say Israel was racist I said the 'Israely Government' are war mongering racist maniacs. I stand by that view... of course I believe many governments are War mongering racist Maniacs. Please see Iran, for allowing persons to live within borders as equal citizens. If you really believe that non Jews within Israel get equal treatment you might want to look at some of the (terribly bias) Channel 4 reports on Israel. Please see Israels approach to the West Bank Issue and Palestine for persecution of peoples. Hmmm... terrorism... personally I think a Nuclear threat is a terrorist act, I think governments are capable of terrorism and I think its something that many world governments can be accused of.
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DavidM (7/18/2006)
Flannel (7/17/2006)
... I wasn't trying to imply they did make a right... Fair enough I just felt that you demonstrated quite nicely the problem with the region as you felt a ranty response was a fair to another rant. If not right then certainly justifiable to you ... but then again I never saw you as the UN. It's a real shame when people start justifying their actions on the grounds of what the other side did first. He describes a biased Israeli view point you call them racist - I hope you both feel better. Yup indeed, twas my point, I see what yer meant now....
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Marios (7/18/2006)
Is it? Like declaring war against Germany for invading Belgium?
Erm... Poland Surely? (Ed.)
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Flannel (7/18/2006)
Marios (7/18/2006)
Is it? Like declaring war against Germany for invading Belgium?
Erm... Poland Surely? (Ed.) Different war.
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Wag
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It's not all about the Nazis.
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Hmmm... terrorism... personally I think a Nuclear threat is a terrorist act, I think governments are capable of terrorism and I think its something that many world governments can be accused of.
Not much point talking about terrorism if you don't define what it means.
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