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Knight
 
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I'm getting fed up with the way the BBC report on israel and the conflict in the middle east!
Quotes liek this abound:
"Israel fired more than 20,000 shells into Lebanon and one strike killed 118 Lebanese civilians sheltering in a UN base. Hezbollah fired more than 600 rockets into northern Israel."
Right so what are we meant to get from that? The evil israelies are killing hundreds of civilians whilst the noble and just Lebanese are doign nothing wrong.
Bollocks! What that ACTUALLY says is that out of 20,000 shots on bridges, power stations and military targets. 1 shell went wide of the mark. With admittedly tragic results don't get me wrong now.
But does it tell you where the 600 rockets land? No does it buggery. In fact in the entire article that is the only mention of any aggresion on Lebanons part.
Now if this was a one off maybe the could be forgiven. But its not! They do it all the sodding time! No matter how many times they get thier wrists slapped for it!
Gah!
*breaths*
I'd like to point out at this point that i would much rather thier wasn't any violence going on in the middle east and everything was all fluffy and pink and nice. But it isn't, and biased reporting doesnt help anyone.
I do try and spell things right...
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Knight
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Archangel (7/17/2006)
I'd like to point out at this point that i would much rather thier wasn't any violence going on in the middle east and everything was all fluffy and pink and nice. But it isn't, and biased reporting doesnt help anyone.
Can't argue with that. It's just unfortunate that the Israeli viewpoint you present is that much more biased than the BBC reporting and helps even less.
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| Right thats the third time Ive heard such comments today (in meat-space too)... so in response to your ranty post here be my ranty reply.... Actually what you are meant to understand is that Israel... a national Government and Nuclear Power has made a massive military attack on the Lebanon, it has also blown up a UN Base which could not possibly have been concieved of as a target. Which released Civilian Casualty Figures. Whereas Hezbollah... an alleged terrorist organisation not actually controlled by the government of the Lebanon has continued to retaliate. Israel continue to hold the Lebanese Government responsible for the actions of Hezzbollah, despite the world wide opinion of most governments that the Government of the Lebanon could not control Hezbollah if they wanted to. And frankly the BBC commentary has been quite even handed, casualty figures from both sides have been let out when offficially released, perhaps you should listen to / read more than one report a day. In fact it's nice to see that at least one news Channel is attempting to point out that the Israely government is acting in an utterly unreasonable manner. Personally I'd rather the Israely Government were painted as the war mongering, racist maniacs they really are.
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Heroic Knight
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Why don't you post a link to the report. That way we can read it ourselves and make up our own minds.
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Flannel (7/17/2006)
... so in response to your ranty post here be my ranty reply....
Sadly two wrongs don't make a right and the "they started it response" only drives the two sides further apart to a violent solution rather than reaching the middle ground where peace stands a chance. What scares me is that Israel and Hezbollah are only going to get there after trying violence and realising that it doesn't work/the cost is too high.
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DavidM (7/17/2006)
Flannel (7/17/2006)
... so in response to your ranty post here be my ranty reply....Sadly two wrongs don't make a right and the "they started it response" only drives the two sides further apart to a violent solution rather than reaching the middle ground where peace stands a chance. What scares me is that Israel and Hezbollah are only going to get there after trying violence and realising that it doesn't work/the cost is too high. Erm... I wasn't trying to imply they did make a right... I was trying to draw attention that the Government of the Lebanon is not Hezbollah. Which was implied in Archangels original post. The trouble is the cost probably isn't too high for the Israely Government unless another country intervenes.
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Flannel (7/17/2006)
I was trying to draw attention that the Government of the Lebanon is not Hezbollah. Which was implied in Archangels original post.
Whilst I feel (very strongly) that the Israeli government have massively over-reacted, and I feel the BBC coverage has been balanced and fair, I also feel that the dividing line between the Lebanese government and Hezbollah isn't nearly as clear as I'd like it to be - 2 of the government ministers are openly members of Hezbollah, aren't they?
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Flannel (7/17/2006)
Personally I'd rather the Israely Governmentwere painted as the war mongering, racist maniacs they really are.
War-mongering racist maniacs?
I’m interested to know why Israel is racist. It allows people of all races and religions to live within its borders as equal citizens. Something no Muslim country does. It does not persecute any particular people. It merely responds to terrorist attacks from other countries who have admitted to trying to wipe it off the map.
How is that a racist stand point?
Israel has time and again put up with terrorist attacks, suicide bombings and kidnaps most of which don’t get reported over here. The only ones that get on English news are the ones where Israel responds too.
If the Lebanese government won't/can’t do anything about Hezbollah then should Israel just sit there and take it? How is Hezbollah “allegedly a terrorist organization? What they do is terrorism…
If they are not a terrorist organization, then the fact that they hold 23 out of 128 seats in the Lebanese government, makes this an act of war on Lebanon’s part.
So which is it? Is it a terrorist attack or an act of war? Its got to be one of them.
Should Irael, in fact, let countries like Iran just "push them into the sea"?
As for blowing up the UN base, you’re quite right. Chances are it probably wasn't a target. Tragic accidents like that happen all the time during military campaigns. I give you Americas famous friendly fire incidents as an example.
No one on English TV mentions the fact that Hezbollah are targeting their rockets indiscriminately.
Read these reports if you don’t believe me.
ABC news
Counter-terrorism website
This report from CNN even tells you how Israel drops leaflets first warning people of their targets and telling them to stay away
Hezbollah on the other hand drops rockets on civilian population centers and everyone defends them. In case any of you had forgotten it was hezbollah that where the agressors.
I have several friends who have moved over to Israel and who I’m still in contact with. One of whom is currently serving in the IDF. So I get most my info straight from the horse’s mouth. People over there can't understand why no one helps them. It seems to them that all the international communtiy does is sit back and shake its head and mutter dissaprovingly whenever Israel does anything to defend it's self.
It’s all very well for the EU to tut and say “ooh no you shouldn’t be doing that Mr Olmert” but do they suggest anything to actually solve the problem?
It’s not just Israel either.
Do we ever get reports of the way Christians and Jews are treated in Muslim countries?
In Iran they have imposed exactly the same sanctions on "the people of the book" as Hitler did to non-Christians pre WW2.
And yet its is only when any of these people try to defend themselves that then it gets on the news.
I do try and spell things right...
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