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Andy Rimmer (5/17/2008)
Totally right, except for what I'll call the "MSG factor" (even though it isn't always MSG)- the healthy food -especially grain and pulses will fill you up more effectively, but short term the fatty sugary stuff makes you feel more full, and doesn't require much effort (another issue) so for someone with kids it seems more cost effective - because the kids aren't still hungry after the meal, even though an hour later they're pestering for more sweets, at least you can send them packing, tell yourself you're a good parent and survive another day.[/b]
Hmm. I see your point, but I'm not convinced. Your argument sounds like it relies on wilful ignorance and a failure to see trends. But then I've always lived in a house that didn't rely on ready meals and prepackaged shortcuts, so I'm not in a position to comment.
Again totally right except for one minor detail- the wife/mother tended to stay around the home (often working from home) giving her more time for prep, while dad and the kids went out to work- but I think you're right that young people are being brainwashed into losing the will to prepare food[/b]
In the middle ages sure, but post industrial revolution most women worked at least part time if not full time, sometimes from home as you say but just as often in factories and sweatshops. And back then 12 hour + days were standard in some jobs, especially in summer. I'm not saying that people don't work long hours (the UK seems to work longer hours than most other developed countries) but it doesn't compare to 100 years ago.
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| Refusal to change and wilful ignorance can be applied to pretty much every vice and the less well educated the more the ignorance, so your right on the button Shven,the point is that they won't change just because Jamie Oliver say's so, education takes time, re-education even more so. As to 100 years ago- mothers tended to do work from the home taking in washing and sewing(as well as doing the house work) unless they were in service, because it was more economically viable to breed extra kids and send them to work in her place. Pre industrial revolution everyone worked in the fields, but as it was seasonal a more communal approach to feeding everyone was adopted.
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Shven (5/19/2008)In the middle ages sure, but post industrial revolution most women worked at least part time if not full time, sometimes from home as you say but just as often in factories and sweatshops.
That had a lot to do with the nature of the family unit at the time, however. Although many women did work part or full time, in most cases this was because the household tasks were performed by other family members - older children, surviving parents or uncles/aunts, in general the people unable to gain or hold a job for whatever reason. With the following nuclear and then post-nuclear family types, that doesn't work, of course.
And back then 12 hour + days were standard in some jobs, especially in summer. I'm not saying that people don't work long hours (the UK seems to work longer hours than most other developed countries) but it doesn't compare to 100 years ago.
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All I'm really saying in disagreement with you is that poor health isn't caused by lack of time or money. You can say all you like about the Victorian era, but its simply not true that people had more free time to cook (or do anything else for that matter). The working class in Victorian times worked longer hours than we do now (men and women), earnt less money, and had access to less labour saving gadgets like vacuum cleaners and washing machines. Their children would also have been out working from very early ages to bring in extra money for the family. We most certainly do not spend less time cooking than the Victorians because of having less free time.
I'd pin the blame on the food culture promoted by supermarkets myself. On the continent there is much more of a culture of cooking for oneself and people see the supermarket as somewhere that you go for boring bulk things like flour and sugar, while fresh food comes from local shops and markets. There's also much less of an obesity problem.
We are of course, hideously off topic
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| Poor health was caused primarily by the agricultural revolution some 5-7,000 years ago. Everybody knows that barbarian nomadic types are taller and stronger and healthier. Read the Bible: the moment Adam and Eve left Paradise to start a farm, they were cursed with all kinds of afflictions. And what prompted the agricultural revolution? Climate change! There, back on topic.  (Btw, grains aren`t that healthy. They`re too rich for our digestive tract. We really should eat more greens, like cultured seaweeds.  )
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[b]Shven We are of course, hideously off topic
Yup! Fun though.
I really do agree with you- my point is that
a. Low income (working )families often work just as long hours as they did 100 years ago- with many parents having 2 or more jobs, so convenience food becomes the norm.
b. Low income (non working) families, receive scattered (over a fortnight) payments (eg JSA and Child Benefit), Child Benefit tending to be a smaller amount and paid weekly gets used for food, while the main payment being larger and fortnightly pays bills, debts and for any larger purchases (clothing etc) which encourage them to spend locally (Co-op and Spar),at higher prices with restricted choice (usually processed as it's easier to store).
c.Low income families tend to live on housing estates which are beyond carrying distance from supermarkets, so back to the spar/Co-op etc.
d. Being aware of something and having the will to do something about it are often poles apart, and if you're working as a cleaner and pizza delivery driver with possibly a paper round on top ( I kid you not- I work with these families) then being arsed becomes very hard.
Now, as all of the above contribute to:
a. Obesity.
b. Factory produced processed food.
c. Cash crops in developing countries.
I'd say we never where off topic- we were merely discussing causes. Go us.
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