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Posted Monday, April 14, 2008 7:27 PM


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It's occurred to me in several of the threads that there's a growing number of hardcore fighters that are dying to take combat from the underground to the next level of drama and realism. I'm one of them. There are considerations though of safety, training and insurance. Fighting Larp-fu style at the moment (due to understandable safety and numpty issues) is very tappy tappy psuedo slowmo kendo for plain fighting and special moves such as throat slitting etc look and feel limp due to the general no-contact rules rife throughout (dare I say) most clubs and events. It's not all about knocking seven shades of poo through someone else in a disguised bullying attempt but an effort to increase the level of dramatic fighting. Possible reasons for TTPSMK are:
1) Insurance considerations - with more boysterous combat comes greater likelihood of injury, meaning compensation (gawd bless the Age of Legal Suing)
2) Self disadvantaging - why swing more when all you're doing is allowing someone without your desire for combat to strike quicker in between blows
3) Lack of skill/practice - it's easier to wang your weapons than properly fight
4) Timidity of physical contact - let's face it, the vast majority of Larpers aren't hulking vikings and football hooligans who enjoy a ruck and have a high tolerance and threshold for pain

So, let's say we get 50 people (random number out of the air) at an event and they all agree that they want better combat. Basically accidents will happen, certainly in the early days so insurance is a must. To keep the costs down we need to make sure we have adequate safety precautions and a guaranteed level of competency. To guarantee the competency we need a standard to work to and some means of stating that player X has achieved that, thus they can be trusted to not do something stupid and seriously injure someone (at least on purpose in extenuating circumstances).

So, the question is: Has this already been attempted (and if so what was the results) and if not, would it be worth starting something like this up? Are you an organiser that has problems with insurance, or could do so much more if you could get it? Are you a player that thinks at least one aspect of this is a good idea? Go for it.

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Posted Monday, April 14, 2008 7:39 PM
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throwing this in as an idea, what about a level of kit/armour. Most martial arts that use full contact weapons have padding/armour of a sort, i know larp weapons are padded but having a lv of armour required basic leathers, hand armour head armour, knee/elbo armour may reduce the damage from hitting, falling and crashing into each other.

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Posted Monday, April 14, 2008 7:47 PM


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Sarah here

There is no such thing as one style of LRP fighting; there are plenty of LRP systems that permit a much more boisterous style of combat than the slow motion, tappy tappy stuff.

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Posted Monday, April 14, 2008 7:56 PM


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balor (4/14/2008)
Sarah here

There is no such thing as one style of LRP fighting; there are plenty of LRP systems that permit a much more boisterous style of combat than the slow motion, tappy tappy stuff.


Oooh, do tell! I'll properly admit that my Larp experience isn't that extensive (enthusiastic but not comprehensive) and I'd love to see what's out there. What problems/solutions do these systems have, and are there guidelines already in place?

And Anthony, I was thinking about this just now and had some ideas for disguised safety equipment like wrist guards incorporated into gauntlets and bracer/hand cover combos etc. Since this concerns warrior types (mostly) then perhaps more practical armour rather than costume effect protection could be employed. (EDIT) I just reread your post (damn my skim reading) and it looks like we're both thinking on the same lines.!

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PD:- Dr/Cpt Heinrich Bellamorto - Pickled Surgeon
- "Shoot him in the eye, the face is for ruffians and amateurs."
- "I'm holding a pistol and I have a pocket that cries PARTY! We are NOT having a quiet one!"
- "Lovable in a Hitler kind of way" - Sass


EOS:- Jarn - Psychotic Runty Orc Beserker
- "Hello my Pretty Pretty...fancy some muddy cuddles?"
- "If we are what we eat, I could be you tomorrow..."


RL:- Pete Bridges - IT Mercenary and RA (special) Agent for Suffolk Mental Health Partnership
- "[LARP], it's not like drugs although it's probably just as expensive"
- "Yes, I snorted the Everclear and the Strawberry stuff with pips in"
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Posted Monday, April 14, 2008 8:06 PM


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Pete,

You'll find more information on our policy on this in the event guide that should be on its way out to you tomorrow for Into the Wild. I have thought quite carefully about the discussion on the Eos forum back in November.  


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Posted Monday, April 14, 2008 8:19 PM
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How about this?

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Posted Monday, April 14, 2008 8:25 PM


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Thanks, Marios -- good timing.

At Hyborian Tales, we're generally prepared to allow a higher level of contact, including grapples, stage-fighting, shield barges, thrusts, etc., so long as the person delivering the higher level of contact is prepared to take responsibility for doing so safely. Anyone who feels they can't do so safely should either not do so at all, or talk to someone more experienced & see if they can get some training. Anyone who wants to opt out of rougher contact entirely can do so (so far, no-one has; oddly enough, the only complaints we've had about pain/injury in 3 years have been from ordinary swings with LRP weapons, rather than any of the more unusual stuff we allow).


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Posted Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 PM


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I might have something you find interesting quite soon...

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Posted Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:26 AM