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Going onto the subject of the benefits system, if your a single jobless person, then your only going to get JSA, in order to get the big money, you need to be really really messed up or to spend a lot of time and effort to milk the system. But sadly our pond life have sussed this out
Often they'll claim JSA, then suddenly be signed of sick for depression, inevitably commit some crime to support their sad little habits, and 2 weeks later they are out of prison, straight back on income support and incapacity benefit.
Is mad especially as the poor gimps in the job centre are told to change customers from one benefit to another.
My recommendation, a 2 tier service, one for real people, and one for pond life whose sole contribution to society is to provide jobs in our prison service.
Ideally the pond life tier requires the said pond life to live in said areas, work full time, ideally in the crappy customer service and facing roles found in call centres and the DWP, only they deal with their own kind not real people, and if they go on the sick, they still have to work anyway, or else they get sent to a special pond life ward or sick estate where there supervised 24 hours a day.
and the service for real people, unless your earning 25 grand a year you get £50 quid on top, and if you need help you fill out one simple tick sheet, and the pondlife doing the gimp work in processing do all the running around and 2 days later you get your first payment, or your concil tax award ect.
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and the service for real people, unless your earning 25 grand a year you get £50 quid on top, and if you need help you fill out one simple tick sheet, and the pondlife doing the gimp work in processing do all the running around and 2 days later you get your first payment, or your concil tax award ect. Not sure if I follow you here.
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thats cos I'm not being clear, too much tia maria, the idea is that real people, those whom have contributed to the system, not lived a life of crime, worked or kept themselves within the law and earn less than £30000 Pa, an extra £50 a week, and those whom find themselves jobless, sick or injures or with more kids to feed fill out a simple tick form, include an employers letter, SSP1 form id appropriate, then the pond life on the lower tier, whom will be working for the DWP as part of their conditions for benefits, will do all the running around so real people can get their money quickly.
The flip side is that the pond-life, if they behave and dont commit any criminal offences lose their pond-life status and get treated like real people again.
Of course this is purely an exercise in fantasy and its very improbable that a system resembling this will ever happen in the uk
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Xollob (4/2/2008)
Ideally the pond life tier requires the said pond life to live in said areas, work full time, ideally in the crappy customer service and facing roles found in call centres and the DWP, only they deal with their own kind not real people, and if they go on the sick, they still have to work anyway, or else they get sent to a special pond life ward or sick estate where there supervised 24 hours a day.
and the service for real people, unless your earning 25 grand a year you get £50 quid on top, and if you need help you fill out one simple tick sheet, and the pondlife doing the gimp work in processing do all the running around and 2 days later you get your first payment, or your concil tax award ect.Um, isn't that called "apartheid"? The "subhumans" mixing only with "their own kind" and keeping out of the way of us "good folks"? How do you distinguish "pond life" from "real people"? Cos, I dunno, people who run around dressed as a wizard at the weekend seem kinda pondy to me... Call me a bleeding-heart liberal or whatever, but I sort of think that helping the "pond life" get out of the pond and become "real people" is a better solution, both practically and in principle.
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Easiest solution to the poverty trap is similar to what the Lib Dems proposed a few years back -- give EVERYONE in the country a minimal living wage (say £150 a week each), however much or little you earn. No other benefits -- you decide where to live, you decide whether to work or not to top up your minimum. Nobody starves; there are virtually no admin costs; there is no need for benefit fraud; there is no need for an army of snoops & grasses & admin people in the DSS, so they all get to go out and get proper jobs instead, if they like. Fund it all by (a) making 95% of DSS staff redundant and (b) raising taxes slightly (most people will still end up way better off due to their £150 a week bonus).
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| That'd never catch on Ian, it sounds far too sensible, not to mention fair and equitable.
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Ian Sturrock (4/3/2008)
Fund it all by (a) making 95% of DSS staff redundant and (b) raising taxes slightly (most people will still end up way better off due to their £150 a week bonus).
Taxes would be raised _slightly_ but almost everyone would end up with more money? If people are only/largely being taxed on what they earn other than the 150 wouldn't there also be a sudden decrease in taxable income? If the idea is that the narrow upper end of the tax bracket will be funding the 150 for everyone in the broad lower end up, why will these people stick around/not shift their money somewhere else?
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Shven (4/2/2008)
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I honestly don't know. It wasn't something I was involved in. She does get council tax benefit, but not incapacity. She does however get her national insurance pension contributions paid so maybe thats it.
I'd really rather not discuss the specifics of my situation any further since I dont think its adding any worthwhile debate to this thread. Sorry, I think it is. You started the discussion by complaining that you were expected to cough up for her existence. You involved her directly in the debate. Shes already got rent and council tax which is more than most partners get if the have the temerity to live together. Since you wont clarify I have no way of telling what other benefit she should be entitled to though it seems odd to grant those two and not anything else. If her national insurance conts are being paid that would indicate shes got some other kind of benefit as well. Im sorry but if you refuse to explain Ill just have to assume that you arent giving us te full story and thus most of your commentary on your own situation is useless as it informs none of us as to your actual circumstances. *shrugs*
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