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Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:50 AM


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Andy Rimmer (2/12/2008)
most of my colleagues who specialise in this area treat(not in the medical sense) cannabis as another addictive substance because it has the same capacity to fuck up someones life as heroin, alchohol or crack, and apears to be just as hard to give up.

I see where your'e going. But to use a crass example.

Lots of Fat people have issues not eating, they are addicted to sugar, chocolate, whatever. Which means food is an addictive substance to them. Its often fucking their life up too. They often have massive problems stopping.

So Im not sure thats useful in the debate as a definition 

People are addictive as a rule, what happens to addict them changes.  Not just consumables either.... anything that changes your body chemistry can cause you a psychological addiction.... excercise is often mentioned.

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Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:27 PM
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On uses/abuses of anecdotal evidence:
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Posted Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:17 AM


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Andy Rimmer (2/12/2008)
most of my colleagues who specialise in this area treat(not in the medical sense) cannabis as another addictive substance because it has the same capacity to fuck up someones life as heroin, alchohol or crack, and apears to be just as hard to give up.

I see where your'e going. But to use a crass example.

Lots of Fat people have issues not eating, they are addicted to sugar, chocolate, whatever. Which means food is an addictive substance to them. Its often fucking their life up too. They often have massive problems stopping.

So Im not sure thats useful in the debate as a definition 

People are addictive as a rule, what happens to addict them changes.  Not just consumables either.... anything that changes your body chemistry can cause you a psychological addiction.... excercise is often mentioned.

Absolutely right and loads of work is being done to develop work around eating habits and healthy lifestyle as well- certainly in the UK huge amounts of money are going into this field (of course it has to come from somewhere- so other less fashionable issues lose support).

However eating is a neccessary part of life- smoking isn't. It's easier to quit smoking (anything)completely than to give up food completely. Lets face it most addicts only quit by avoiding their "poison" completely

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Posted Friday, February 15, 2008 6:29 PM
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Ian Sturrock (2/6/2008)

I wouldn't like to see cocaine, heroin, or even speed much more widely available than they already are, because I've had enough of my friends fuck themselves up on one or more of the above. I don't think those drugs have redeeming qualities, other than perhaps for some limited medical uses.

Why those drugs? Personally I've seen more people fucked up from long term cannabis use than "harder" drugs. Just my personal experience admittedly.

I'd argue that all drugs have the potential to damage you, and anyone who dismisses cannabis as not being REALLY dangerous is, in my opinion, an idiot. Question is, do you allow people to freely damage themselves or do you regulate it?

edit - curtailed rant after second reading..

imo its a mistake to justify a legalisation question for one damaging substance based on the status another - its not really a sliding scale of severity. I think I probably err on the side of legalisation because at least that way there would be regulation of dosage, and it could be taxed.

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Posted Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:33 PM


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Yeah, agreed -- I've known more people who've used cannabis responsibly & not been fucked up by it, though, than have successfully used speed etc.


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Posted Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:56 AM


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A trend which seems to be reversing with the up and coming generation of users- I've never seen anything like it!

My prior experience of smokers has been (both professionally and socially), that they are usually calmer than other drug users (especially alcohol)and less likely to cause problems for anyone but themselves. Over the last 5 years I've become used to the idea that (younger-i.e under 25 yrs)Cannabis users are likely to be violent (often to extreme), and as this is the age group that society is having a moral panic over, it's their behaviour which will influence policy makers.

It's not even that they're mixing it with booze, many of them don't drink- preferring to smoke, - they chain smoke spliff until they white out, often using huge amounts in a session- almost like a kid with Easter eggs, stuffing their face 'til they're sick.

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Posted Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:54 PM


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Andy Rimmer (2/19/2008)
and as this is the age group that society is having a moral panic over, it's their behaviour which will influence policy makers.

In fairness, that is the age group that society always has a moral panic over isn't it? Seems we've been panicking about the imminent destruction of society by the youf of today since at least the 15 century.

It's not even that they're mixing it with booze, many of them don't drink- preferring to smoke, - they chain smoke spliff until they white out, often using huge amounts in a session- almost like a kid with Easter eggs, stuffing their face 'til they're sick.

Andy Rimmer said cannabis is like easter eggs. You saw it here first folks!


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Posted Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:06 AM


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I think it may have been Aristotle who complained about Drunken Youths rampaging through the streets, terrorrising the public and fathering illegitimate children- nothing changes, it just gets bigger.
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Posted Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:07 PM


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