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Shven (2/10/2008)
jumping back on topic,Yes please.
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Shven (2/10/2008)
First off, the idea has no real political following and any politician trying to engage debate in favour of it would be committing career suicide
Secondly, almost all of the people who believe that drugs should be legalised and regulated are also incredibly apathetic about politics.
I agree, there doesn't seem to be much grass roots support sadly and I've seen few newspapers openly argue in favour of it in editorials. I had a quick look on the web, I figured there must be something and this slightly sorry looking website was the best I could find.
Solution: Write to your MP and tell him (or her) that you want them to raise the issue in Parliament. I'm sure it'd be worth it just for the response.
I've never written to my MP, so I can't imagine that would help much. A better developed grass roots campaign would help I think.
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That and by international treaty we cannot legalise a whole pile of drugs. We would need to re-negotiate those before we could take that action....
The politics of drugs is much more complicated than the Daily Mail would have you believe.
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delvy (2/10/2008)
That and by international treaty we cannot legalise a whole pile of drugs. We would need to re-negotiate those before we could take that action....
In my experience countries only follow the international treaties they want to follow. The second it becomes domestically unpopular and the government doesn't want to do it, they generally seem to just ignore them. Norway and Japan on whaling, America on the use of torture, etc, etc.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't international law is what is holding us back.
The politics of drugs is much more complicated than the Daily Mail would have you believe. Most of reality is more complex than the Daily Mail would have you believe...
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Marios (2/9/2008)
[quote]Andy Rimmer (2/9/2008)
But in that instance again, the only evidence required is that the cancer has been cured and that they believe it was due to prayer- as we all know people who've been treated for cancer by traditional medicine and died anyway.
If I understand you correctly, you seem to be talking about anecdotal evidence ("I know/heard of one guy who ...") - I'd definitely be expecting a bit more than that if someone said we ought to take public account of this (less cancer drugs, more cancer chapels)/accept it as a fact.
Scientists always have a problem with what they call "anecdotal" evidence- even the term is meant to deride- suggesting a story or something fictional. The idea that some things can be measured in other ways frightens them, yet they're happy for people to be sentenced to prison or even death on the strength of (what is essentially) anecdotal evidence. At the moment gov't are getting very big on the idea of personal statements as evidence of success when attemting to evaluate projects which have traditionally been hard to quantify. Of course 5 years ago we were all calling personal statements, anecdotal evidence! Odd that.
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| With the war on terror and the war on drugs linking together so nicely it's extremely unlikely that we'll see anything sensible happening with drugs legislation any time (at all). Too many rich/powerful people are benefitting from the current situation and unless it starts to hurt their positions they really couldn't give a shit about the average drug user or victim of crime.
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Andy Rimmer (2/10/2008)
Scientists always have a problem with what they call "anecdotal" evidence- even the term is meant to deride- suggesting a story or something fictional. The idea that some things can be measured in other waysfrightens them, yet they're happy for people to be sentenced to prison or even death on the strength of (what is essentially) anecdotal evidence.
It's not that it frightens us, it's just that years and years and years of bitter experience have taught us that scientifically speaking, it's worse than useless.
Anecdotal evidence is very different to court testimony, I think that's a straw man argument.
At the moment gov't are getting very big on the idea of personal statements as evidence of success when attemting to evaluate projects which have traditionally been hard to quantify. Of course 5 years agowe were all calling personal statements, anecdotal evidence! Odd that.
I've never seen much evidence that any science is practised by any branch of government. Confusing the government with scientists is like comparing martians with bricks.
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I mostly write to my MP on the subject because i thought it'd be funny and I had afew other things I wanted to write about anyway. Thats not to say I dont take the issue seriously - just that I, like the majority of people my age, am cynical about the effect it will have.
I dont have the time to start a grass-roots campaign on a politically controversial subject, and anyway, as a young, semi-employed person who is soon to be a student, I'm not exactly a good figurehead anyway. Writing to my MP takes me 15 minutes thanks to the miracles of modern communications, and so is alot easier.
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