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Marianne (1/30/2008)
Most of the schools health professionals I've known have been extremely reluctant to give a diagnosis since that equates to a record of needs and they're gold dust. When I was teaching I knew children whose families had been fighting for years to get a diagnosis for the child's problems, because then the child has to be provided with resources to help them cope and the LEA don't want that on their budget.
I'd agree with you if you hadn't put the schools connection in and in situations after school years I do entirely agree that its stupidly easy to gain a diagnosis, but that makes me disagree with this one since it's very different from my experience. I actually agree here. One of the most irritating things in my experience is that certain 'better off' (often private) schools seem to be able to get say ADHD diagnosis for 70% of their school (I am not lying here) meaning 70% get extra time in exams. Honestly the number of children with 'disorders' is truly phenomenal. Even Autistic Spectrum societies have started to point out that the numbers in some schools completely deny any statistical probability. The vast majority of these children have been 'diagnosed' by someone who is not competent to make any such diagnosis. On the other hand if you have a child who ACTUALLY has needs and really needs help then it can be next to impossible to get the statement because as you say if that happens the authority have to do something properly to help them. I have often found the alleged 'health professionals and SEN's in schools will happily diagnose complete bollox which doesnt cause them work but are left standing (because of their lack of education or medical knowledge) when confronted with an actual problem. Which i why we have situations where half a school has alleged ADHD and gets extra time and scribes wheras poor Johnny who actually really is Autistic cant get help for love or money. People who claim such labels do screw things up for people who need them, but its worth remembering that the syndromes do exist and not everyone is faking it. Quite. Such people are scum. (The lable claimers that is....)
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Label Claimers: I met a a self-diagnosed psychotic at a major larp event last year. I always assumed that people who had mental illness weren't entirely aware since they were used to their own reality and that's why other people alert the appropriate authorities for them. For example; I was sent for diagnosis, turned out I had a malign psychotic illness (not about to say what it is) and yeah, I guess I suffer from a few minor problems now, but I don't see myself as strictly ill anymore but a lot of people like me who adjusted well to their thearpy take advantage of the fact they were ill. So yeah, that's a scummy thing to do; Like people who pretend they suffer from aspergers sydrome just because they don't understand how to socialise.
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Mushroom Man (3/27/2008)
; Like people who pretend they suffer from aspergers sydrome just because they don't understand how to socialise.Nods.... One of the problems we have with applying SEN considerations in an educational context is that providing lables is like providing an excuse. People see it as a excuse' for their behaviour at which point it is 'not their fault' and therfore something that other people should deal with. This image has been encouraged by the press, government and several misguided 'mental health charities' and really hasn't helped people deal with their problems at all, its creating a set of people who think they should get everything on a plate because they are special. Some of whom actually have issues but sadly the majority (1) have no problem at all and just want an excuse for their own failings that lets them not do anything to address the issue. (1) In my experience... not a statistical fact.
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| I've reached the point of thinking 'so you have issues. I dont care. Deal with it' due to meeting so many people with some kind of label. I simply refuse to make allowances for people for the most part (there are obviously exceptions) since most of them haven't gone through anything much worse than me, and I dealt with it. Eventually there will be a psychological condition which is defined as considering psychological conditions to be fictional or irrelevant. And then there will be just another label that could be applied to me which I will ignore
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| The one I'm forever coming up against is the kid who's in trouble on a regular basis and gradually escalating their behaviour up to full criminal activity, yet constantly manages to avoid any significant sentence, because of their Aspirgers or ADHD(usually diagnosed by the internet or some volunteer at the local advice centre)-while professionals like myself and the Police Officers involved have known the kid and family for years and are absolutely positive that it's poor parenting and home environment. Meanwhile litle Johnny keeps getting away with it until one day he comes up in front of the wrong bench and ends up doing time for something that that he's walked away from 3 or 4 times before. I must admit I'm getting sick of having EBD used as an excuse (especially as I work with a lot of kids with real issues who try really hard to overcome them and achieve things)
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