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Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:41 AM
Heroic Knight

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Apparently they've now lost six more discs, so I have to repeat Sarah's question;

balor (11/24/2007)
Sarah here

Anyway, I have one question about this data loss, why didnt they just use an electronic flie transfer?


I can only assume someone saw "electronic flie transfer" and remembered what happened to Andre Delambre.



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Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:54 AM


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Apparently they've now lost six more discs, so I have to repeat Sarah's question;


Yeah, and apparently this morning they lost five biros, two erasers and one of those smelly rubber things that go on the end of pencils to stop you chewing them.

Good job there isn't a war on.


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Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:52 AM


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I'm with the 'gross incompetence' camp here. If it were a conspiracy we would never hear anything of it. Thats what marks a *good* conspiracy. I remember a quote from something (a film, I think) where someone makes the point that you cannot expect a government that has problems covering up its own incompetence and inability to solve the most basic social problems to be behind a major and, above all, successful cover up of this magnitute

And I also agree that the reason they do not use direct secure file transfer is because they either a) do not trust it or b) it is not covered by moribund protocols laid down centuries ago. Frankly, to my mind, it is more likely that a courier will steal/misplace two CDs than a hacker will be able to manage to bypass the security of a government network in order to get at the info as it is being transferred. And if they could do that, they can do it anytime - not just when it is being transferred...

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Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 11:37 AM


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Many moons ago I used to work for a certain Credit reference company. They hold all the UKs consumer credit info. That's everything about you and I mean everything. Far more info than the government. So where do you think that info is held? In a bunker somewhere with automatic machine gun towers? Nope. It's all in a old 70's building that was built on a swamp. The whole building is subsiding, the inside is like a crooked house ride at a theme park. Full of machines with auto CD changers. And security? None. I didn't even see a guard sitting at a desk reading a newspaper!

So information security? It's a joke. Your personal info is being used all the time without your permission. The data protection act (DPA)? That's being broken all the time by the banks. Indian call centres, according to the DPA, your info is not meant to be taken outside of Europe, so these cheap call centres abroad shouldn't be operating! But hey lets best ignore that.

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Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:07 PM


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Generally private sector is better at the whole data security thing than the government. This is because the data they collect may be worth a lot of money...

I remember when I was working in private biomed research. The rules there were strict, including not taking lab books out of the building but locking them in a fireproof safe at the end of the day. I was also under a 6 month confidentiality clause and had to have my labbook signed and dated each day so that any work I did could be claimed under patent rules if necessary (if someone contested the patent claim we could prove more adequetly when the work was done).

What I have heard of government organisations leads me to suggest they are far from this careful...

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Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:46 PM
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Matt Pennington (11/25/2007)
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Apparently they've now lost six more discs, so I have to repeat Sarah's question;
Yeah, and apparently this morning they lost five biros, two erasers and one of those smelly rubber things that go on the end of pencils to stop you chewing them.

When I said "apparently" I merely meant that it had been reported in the media (BBC News, if memory serves). However, given that this would be a rather large coincidence after the first two discs going missing, I strongly suspect it's the media reporting a rumour as fact (as opposed to their other tachnique of blowing a fact out of all proportion). So whilst it might be true, I rather suspect it isn't, hence "apparently".

On the upside, hopefully this will cause people to realise that making things smaller, lighter, and easier to carry - whilst useful - makes them easier to lose / be stolen. I'd quite happily put up with carrying heavier items if it meant anyone attempting to steal it would get about ten feet before collapsing with a hernia.

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Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 6:13 PM


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Doctor (11/25/2007)
When I said "apparently" I merely meant that it had been reported in the media (BBC News, if memory serves). However, given that this would be a rather large coincidence after the first two discs going missing, I strongly suspect it's the media reporting a rumour as fact (as opposed to their other tachnique of blowing a fact out of all proportion). So whilst it might be true, I rather suspect it isn't, hence "apparently".


I wasn't disputing the facts. I imagine that CDs of data go missing in the post regularly. It was the significance I was scoffing at. From the BBC site.

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HM Revenue and Customs has confirmed that a further six data discs have gone missing in transit between its offices in Preston and London. The discs, which were reported missing on 30 October, contained recorded conversations between a member of staff and a customer making a complaint.


So... it's now news that the government has lost six CDs containing records of a conversation between a member of staff and a customer making a complaint.


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Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:33 PM


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6 CD's for one conversation? they're just taking that dead parrot thing too far now.

seriouly, the hell? how many hours do you have to complain to fill 6CD's??

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Posted Monday, November 26, 2007 1:03 PM