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Never underestimate the power of incompetence, I always prefer to suspect blithering incompetence before a conspiracy in most cases. And this one is classic British government incompetence at it's finest.
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| Speaking as a civil servant (through in a different department) I can see how this happened. They didn't actually post the data, they put it in the internal mail system. This gets collected by a contractor (TNT in their case) whose job is to transport it safely and securely to the internal target. The fault should lie with the contractor for breach of contract by not taking due care with government mail.
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Soci-O-Path (11/24/2007)
You do realise that the Government probably planned this "leak" of information months in advance of when it happened.
Er, no. I didn't realise that. Do you have any evidence for it? I mean obviously not something that might constitute proof, but say, some sort of circumstantial evidence. Heck I'd be interested to hear your musings on why the government planned to humiliate the newly appointed chancellor and imperil their plans for identity cards.
You know, like how North American banks periodically go broke and only the plutocrats profit.
Follow the money... And yet somehow I'm struggling to see how Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling and the labour government have benefited from this exposure. I realise I'm a bit naive politically, but if you could just point out how they've gained from this it would significantly help me gain your level of understanding on this issue.
Yes, but you must admit that our current Government have lost one hell of a lot of laptops containing crucial information over the years.
Personally I'm utterly astonished at how few laptops have been lost. When you consider just how many government issue laptops there must be and how many laptops get stolen it's not credible how few go missing. If there is a conspiracy here, I suspect it is more likely that the government is actively engaged in playing down the number that disappear rather than playing it up. If you could supply any kind of evidence to support your concept that the government are actively seeking to randomly distribute data to the country, or perhaps suggest some kind of motivation for this policy, I think it would add some credence to the idea.
I am also in the mindset that schools are becomming ever increasingly shittier because the Government wants it that way so that there will be more dunces than free-thinkers.
Education, Education, Duncification! I would like to contest your statement but find it so evidentially self-supporting I must concede it.
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Nath (11/24/2007)
The fault should lie with the contractor for breach of contract by not taking due care with government mail.
Rather than the ministers and civil servants that instituted a data security policy that allowed an office junior to put 25 million names and bank details on a couple of CDs and then toss them in the mail? Or with the policy decisions that led to the refusal of the National Audit Office's request NOT to include the unneeded bank details because it would take too long to remove them? To say nothing of the decision to employ TNT to physically transfer such data.
Personally I think identity fraud is significantly over-stated as a threat by our media. This case has done little to convince me otherwise.
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Matt Pennington (11/24/2007)
Personally I think identity fraud is significantly over-stated as a threat by our media. This case has done little to convince me otherwise.You say that when someone manages to steal the details to the account you store the Maelstrom player bookings in! Conspiricy, who knows, who cares? They lost 2 CD's, bloody stupid of them putting them on CD's yeah, blah blah.
Last time i heard a laptop being stolen, it wasnt actually stolen. It was reported stolen because the ejit left it on teh train. (possibly blown up by the police, wouldnt suprise me) Anyway, people on benifits, depending how dependent they are on them, its a Labour Government. The 'lower classes' (im talking council estate people with more kids than pockets and no jobs) will be looked after somehow. Thats what Labour does. If the country was conservative, THEN you should be worried.
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RPGManic (11/24/2007)
You say that when someone manages to steal the details to the account you store the Maelstrom player bookings in!
It's a worry. But not as big a worry as someone getting their car keyed at an event... Or a fire starting on the site... Or a major medical emergency... The fact that something might happen does not justify the automatic assumption that it will happen or that preventing it from happening should be the highest priority. That kind of "alternative to thinking" predominates in the media but it doesn't stand up to any kind of credible analysis.
Conspiricy, who knows, who cares?
Well it does rather matter doesn't it?
If the Labour government have lost two CDs with some personal data on then that's a bit embaressing for them and we should all laugh at them a bit and say "See? This is why we don't trust you with ID cards."
If, on the other hand, they are engaged in some extraordinary conspiracy to deliberately leak this data, presumably to ID fraudsters, then I am forced to assume that Gordon Brown is using his position as Prime Minister to deliberately enrich himself by selling state data to the Russian Mafia. On the one hand some ministers and civil servants got caught out making a cock-up, on the other hand a major section of our government (the treasury) is as bent a three bob note and is cahoots with organised crime.
The two seem rather different in severity to me. So, as I see it, it rather does matter whether the government has done this deliberately or not. Unless of course you're happy to file the suggestion with "Nasa faked the moon landings."
Sorry, but I don't particularly like conspiracy theories. You see I recently discovered that conspiracy theorists are all actually secretly funded by the government. They are paid to deliberately create such ridiculous straw-man allegations that nobody could sensibly believe them, thereby distracting people from holding the government to account for their actual failings.
You can prove this by analysing the number of released conspiracy theories correlated to the amount of bad news that a government is experiencing. There is a high correlation between bad news stories about the government and new emerging conspiracy theories - that can only be because the government is dedicating extra funds to distract people from analysing their real record during this time.
So remember - if you want to avoid being taken in your government then don't listen to the conspiracy theorists.
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| Sarah here I tend to find that most conspiracy theories represent an alleged conspiracy just seems like far too much work for little gain. I find it far easier to believe in human fallibility than conspiracy. Anyway, I have one question about this data loss, why didnt they just use an electronic flie transfer?
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