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| Many people seem to think the BBFC has a 'good' record. I renmind commentators these are the same people who banned Life of Brian (correct me if Im wrong.) They seem quite swayed by the religious..... I wonder if its more to do with the Manchester Cathedral complaints about the game rather than the content. Cos they didnt ban Hitman did they. Or that jolly game where you control crowds of rioting football fans. I think the issue is the BBFC is not remotely consistent in its decision and never has been. Indeed some local authorities have felt the need to overide their certification. Andy Rimmer (6/25/2007) I think you'll find that we have limited freedom of expression- otherwise child porn and snuff movies would be legal.Hmmm no not really as both involve illegal acts. So you couldn't make them in the first place. You can of course simulate both in films quite happily hence the furor over 'Kids' which includes scenes of both consensual and non-consensual sex with minors and is entirely legal.
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Flannel (6/25/2007) Many people seem to think the BBFC has a 'good' record. I renmind commentators these are the same people who banned Life of Brian (correct me if Im wrong.)
Things change, part of the BBFC's remit is to change along with what society as a whole finds acceptable. They are much more liberal than they used to be.
They seem quite swayed by the religious..... I wonder if its more to do with the Manchester Cathedral complaints about the game rather than the content. Cos they didnt ban Hitman did they. Or that jolly game where you control crowds of rioting football fans.
The Manchester Cathederal issue is entierley unrelated to the Manhunt 2 one. Sony's response to that should have been to laugh at them, especially once they started asking for money.
To quote David Cooke, Director of the BBFC:
“Rejecting a work is a very serious action and one which we do not take lightly. Where possible we try to consider cuts or, in the case of games, modifications which remove the material which contravenes the Board’s published Guidelines. In the case of Manhunt 2 this has not been possible. Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing. There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game.
“Although the difference should not be exaggerated the fact of the game’s unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game. That work was classified ‘18’ in 2003, before the BBFC’s recent games research had been undertaken, but was already at the very top end of what the Board judged to be acceptable at that category.”
“Against this background, the Board’s carefully considered view is that to issue a certificate to Manhunt 2, on either platform, would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors, within the terms of the Video Recordings Act, and accordingly that its availability, even if statutorily confined to adults, would be unacceptable to the public.” Under the terms of the Video Recordings Act distributors have the right to appeal the Board’s decision.
I believe it's the sadistic violence that pushes it out of the 18 category combined with the context it's portrayed in. The issue of context is what I believe lets a film like Ireversible's rape scene surviving without cuts (not that I've actually seen it).
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| Dear Flannel, You are wrong. The BBFC passed Life of Brian as suitable to be viewed by the over 14's. It was only banned by local councils, in much the same way as Clockwork Orange was passed by the BBFC only to be banned by some local councils.
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Andy Rimmer (6/25/2007) [quote]We can't set decency as a line- it varies from person to person, but we can use "causing offence", so long as it would offend an average person and in fairness this game probably would offend the average person.WTF? how does that follow? Surely if "decency" is subjective, then so is "being offended"?
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Ok- setting a standard of decency requires a fixed limit/limits, which vary wildly depending on many factors- and are a legislative pain in the arse, whereas-"causing offence" doesn't require definition and leaves the standard open to interpretation,i.e if you find it offensive then complain.
This means that most things will get through censorship-only hitting a snag if they are likely to (or do)cause offense. By doing it this way society can claim to be self censoring and not limit freedom of expression.
Nice to see that Flannels' hair splitting scalpel isn't affected by all this rain.
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| Ok Andy that makes a bit more sense now. However, since this game hasn't even been released yet; how on earth can people object to it? Does someone have to actually know what they are talking about, or will any objection do? EG There was a massive media storm about "video nasties" and the bulger case, despite the fact the link was complete bollocks, so would all those sun readers (or was it the mirror? i forget) opinions and outrage count? I just don't see how it can work, personnally.
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| In this case the parents honestly believe that the 1st game is partly responsible for their sons murder, a sequel couldn't help but cause offense.
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Shouldn't it be about more than just them, though? Otherwise, if it is just one person who can get something banned, who do I have to go to for my Ban Big Brother campaign? I'm sure the latter does far more damage to the nation's collective psyche.
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