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Jeremy Clarkson did a program about television itself. One of the things he did was go to Bhutan. (Sorry another vague saw it on tv post) The government had banned foreign stations form broadcasting in there. When it finally arrived violence, murder etc. all rose from only happening sometimes to regularly.
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White Balance (6/24/2007)
Jeremy Clarkson did a program about television itself. One of the things he did was go to Bhutan. (Sorry another vague saw it on tv post) The government had banned foreign stations form broadcasting in there. When it finally arrived violence, murder etc. all rose from only happening sometimes to regularly.
The statistics seem a bit strange, sometimes to regularly? I'd be amazed if violence was regular, frequent possibly, but regular? Say every tuesday afternoon, or perhaps whenever the telly tubbies was on?
It's an interesting anecdote but without something a bit more numeric to go on it's hard to put much faith in it.
History is an important source for LRP. Along with other works of fiction.
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Jeremy Clarkson did a program about television itself. One of the things he did was go to Bhutan. (Sorry another vague saw it on tv post) The government had banned foreign stations form broadcasting in there. When it finally arrived violence, murder etc. all rose from only happening sometimes to regularly.
The statistics seem a bit strange, sometimes to regularly? I'd be amazed if violence was regular, frequent possibly, but regular? Say every tuesday afternoon, or perhaps whenever the telly tubbies was on?
It's an interesting anecdote but without something a bit more numeric to go on it's hard to put much faith in it.
Hey I wasn't even trying to be academic because I have no figures etc to back it up. Plus yeah frequent would have been a more accurate word to use. So, yeah, I'll let you brainy types continue with the argument.
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| "The marijuana that flourishes like a weed in every Bhutanese hedgerow was only ever used to feed pigs before the advent of TV, but police have arrested hundreds for smoking it in recent years." ....You know, I betcha that the police just didnt give a crap about it before "Cops" came on. The Bhutan Example, doesnt sound like what you could call a "control". A religous Monarchy existing in a deliberate state of seclusion with a peer based oglicharchy dictating social mores? ..Its the presence of external social factors and aspirations thats causing the hassle - not re-runs of Knight Rider. Yes, the symptons look like the results of mtv exposure - but really its the act of contact between such disparate cultures thats causing the clash - not the medium. Fluff
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Reading between the lines of the Guardian article, it's pretty clear that it's actually hip-hop music and baseball caps that are causing the crime wave, just like in the West. 
Thing is, we here in the supposedly civilized countries don't tend to go apeshit just because of stuff we watch on TV, and we're supposedly an amoral, irreligious lot. You'd have thought that a kingdom of devout Buddhists would have far better control over their impulses & emotions than us lot would...
Unless of course it's actually the drugs, rather than the TV, that's to blame.
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White Balance (6/24/2007)
So, yeah, I'll let you brainy types continue with the argument.
I read the guardian article, I have to say it seemed very unconvincing to me. Not a single statistic appeared to have been collected to demonstrate whether a crime wave was actually happening or not. Certainly none were quoted, it appeared to be enough to simply claim it was.
In my experience 50% of all studies done by social scientists show that watching a punch and judy show on television turns you into a smack-head killer the second time you see it and 50% show that it has no effect of any kind. From which I conclude that social scientists are as useful as a fart in an astronaut's suit. What is clear is that globally crime rates, particularly violent crime rates have been declining for centuries and at the same time everyone's perception of crime is that it is in some ever increasing spiral. It was all better in the good old days, even though it wasn't. The guardian article reeks of that kind of perception bias like a full toilet after a heavy curry.
I suspect the real problem was that after they introduced television, while most of it was foreign, there must, at some point, have been some kind of news program. A news program would have a massive negative impact on a country unused to it. Once you have news programs you have an inevitable perception of a burgeoning decline in moral standards and spiralling crime rate despite even when there is statistical evidence for the opposite.
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Coops (6/24/2007)
"The marijuana that flourishes like a weed in every Bhutanese hedgerow was only ever used to feed pigs before the advent of TV, but police have arrested hundreds for smoking it in recent years." ....You know, I betcha that the police just didnt give a crap about it before "Cops" came on. I betcha the police in Britain didn`t give a crap about it when people were still using hemp just for rope and pigeon feed.
Coops (6/24/2007)
..Its the presence of external social factors and aspirations thats causing the hassle - not re-runs of Knight Rider.Ain`t it funny how the universe bends back on itself? So should manhunter2 be banned because of all the explicit violence, or because it promotes ideas that undermine the very fabric of society? Like 'the government/big corporations did it', and `it`s okay to kill people in a myriad of ways because they`re working for the wrong institution`, or 'it`s okay to go on a murderous rampage if people screw you over'? Just musing...
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Lavlin (6/24/2007)
I betcha the police in Britain didn`t give a crap about it when people were still using hemp just for rope and pigeon feed.True, cos you'd have to smoke a field worth of the shite they grew for that
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