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| http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6767623.stm I read this today and my heart leapt for joy and swelled with patriotisim, i'm so glad we live in country with a nanny state that places the sad whims of sad failed mothers eager to place blame for their failings as parents on a scapegoat, than that of the wishes of a horde of sensible adults whos sole desire is to play a video game thats a bit scary. http://www.rockstargames.com/manhunt2/index2.html Shame really as it looks so cool
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I wouldn't worry about it mate, I'm sure this news will drive up the game's sales around the rest of the world, as well as ensuring a thriving black market in imports to the UK. In fact it'll probably sell more even in the UK post-ban than it ever would have without the ban...
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| I hate the whole BS where people blame violence on TV/Games if u cant distinguish between Games and reality then your already fucked up and if u didnt get it froma game youd get it from seeing 2 dogs scrapping in the park. But hay nm we have a gloriouse thing called hte internet you cant stop it from comming they cant even stop downloads of legal ones they hell as sure wont stop the download and sale of illigal ones. I wonder when goverments especial those that censor the internet will wake up and learn the internet has no boarders and will always fight to break any boarders inforced appon it. VIVLA LA REVILUTION (its frech spelling dont count) *takes deap breath and stops ranting*
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It's easy to overreact to this one, but it's worth bearing in mind that this is only the second game that the BBFC have ever banned, and they're generally well known for only restricting games for very good reasons. The media are doing a good job of making it look as though this is a result of the parents who blamed Manhunt for their sprog's death and their campaigning; in all likelihood it's absolutely nothing to do with that. Speaking as someone who works in the industry, if this game has been banned, then in all likelihood a) it deserved to be and b) this was a deliberate ploy by Rockstar to raise their profile in the run-up to the release of a certain other high-profile sequel.
It's also worth bearing in mind that while the original Manhunt was on the PS2 (and other platforms), this one is most notably on the Wii. Pressing a button to brutally murder someone is an entirely different kettle of fish to swinging the controller to embed an axe in someone's head.
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chalicier (6/21/2007)
It's also worth bearing in mind that while the original Manhunt was on the PS2 (and other platforms), this one is most notably on the Wii. Pressing a button to brutally murder someone is an entirely different kettle of fish to swinging the controller to embed an axe in someone's head.
Too right. Before you know it they'll be swinging foam axes to phys rep brutally murdering someone, and THEN where will we be?!?
How is it that no Maelstrom players have turned into murderers IRL? I've "killed" loads more people in LRP over the years than I have in videogames, and in much more realistic fashion...
How is it that none of the cast of The Sopranos, or Rome, have ever decided to start killing people?
It's all bullshit. Blame the entertainment medium for the crime, when the crime is older than humanity, let alone older than the medium!
Although personally I totally blame that Shakespeare bloke for the violence that was endemic in the Renaissance... did you ever see some of his plays? The most low-browed, violent nonsense, pandering to the worst instincts of the masses.
And as for that Homer...
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Gah, respond or go get drunk with beautiful women? Ah, all right, I'll do both. But don't expect me to debate with you properly.
Ian Sturrock (6/21/2007)
Too right. Before you know it they'll be swinging foam axes to phys rep brutally murdering someone, and THEN where will we be?!?
...etc
A good point, but last time I swung* an axe at a prone foe in LRP, I don't remember their head splitting open, blood fountaining everywhere and... well, you get the idea. As for videos, plays and TV - interactive media have to be considered slightly differently from passive media, surely?
Oh, and incidentally - the game has been given an AO rating in the states (effectively destroying its sales potential, regardless of controversy) and Manhunt is a sufficiently well-known that its projected sales are likely to have been an awful lot more than will appear on grey-market import. Besides anything else, selling an import copy in shops will be illegal.
(* - I'm convinced that this word should be "swang", but apparently that's not actually a word. Bloody language.)
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chalicier (6/21/2007)
A good point, but last time I swung* an axe at a prone foe in LRP, I don't remember their head splitting open, blood fountaining everywhere and... well, you get the idea.
You need to get out more. There are certainly LRP games with plenty of blood & body parts, and I don't think even any of THEIR participants went out and did real murder afterwards.
Likewise actors in movies and plays -- how come they can separate fantasy from reality? Clearly they're participating in the fake violence, rather than just watching it. Those Method actors -- don't they immerse themselves utterly in their roles? Look at Daniel Day Lewis in "Gangs of New York", or yer bloke who played Aragorn in LotR -- wore their weapons on and off set for months at a time, but didn't ACTUALLY behead anyone. Don't they get more in character than video game players, or even LRPers?
If video games and violent movies turn their players/viewers into murderers... how is it that if you plot the rate of violent crime against the sophistication of the entertainment media, the relationship between the two appears to be an inverse one? That is, there was a lot more violence in Homer's time than in Shakespeare's (though by Shakespeare's, theatre special effects were sufficiently sophisticated as to allow for beheadings, fake blood spurts, etc. to the point that some audience members believed the violence to be real), and a lot more in Shakespeare's than in ours. Isn't it more likely that in fact play violence reduces the likelihood of the players engaging in real violence?
Don't let me keep you from your booze & women though.
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I note that Keith Vaz was campaigning to get the game banned. While I can't help agreeing that such attitudes are deeply irresponsible there is a part of me that thinks - Well if it keeps people like Keith Vaz off serious issues it can't be a bad thing can it? I mean you know what these yobs are like, hanging around in parliament asking threatening questions about civil liberties, scaring young people into thinking they're going to have their rights taken away. At least this way he has a nice little computer game to focus all his aggression on. Keeps him out of the way of decent people dunnit?
However it is the wrong response, I know, I need to be more mature about these things. After-all Keith Vaz gets Manhunter 2 banned it's surely only a matter of time before he starts trying to imitate that success in real life and get things that actually count banned.
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