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Geoff, I wouldn't waste too much time finding out the proofing info. Flannel posts on nearly every thread and he/she only seems to post to try and start arguments. Check out any of the other threads that he/she has posted on including trying to tell everyone that anyones who joins the forces is a murderer! I don't spend a lot of time on these boards but there always seems to be a contentious post by flannel diverting most them off topic.
Canvas does need treating and in the case of large marquees it often needs fireproofing as well to meet local government rules.
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| /rant on Not wishing to add to the potential flame war.... yes, someone who doesn't post what system they are on can generally be counted as someone who makes things for larpers (like Sean, FBA / Me) or someone who is a "Board Troll" dropping in to add their natural wisdom to an otherwise needless mix of sanity.... The Tent has been waterproofed, on top of it being water-resistant like canvas is. Fantastic. Bloke knows what he's doing. He sells Tents for a living, that might suggest he actually Does Know What He's Talking About. You know, it would be like Sean M saying "I have made a weapon, buy it" and someone else coming along and saying "oh, but do you make suuure the core is secure inside and did you use instant contact glue because you know, you really shouldn't and isn't that real leather for the grip, I don't think you'd want to be using that....." They might wonder at the responses. We might actually care what they think. Who knows? And perhaps the clue is in the statement "for those people who are genuine potential buyers" I think you know where i'm going. Top stuff FBA, keep up the good work. /rant off
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Seán M. (8/15/2008) Geoff, I wouldn't waste too much time finding out the proofing info. Flannel posts on nearly every thread and he/she only seems to post to try and start arguments. Check out any of the other threads that he/she has posted on including trying to tell everyone that anyones who joins the forces is a murderer! I don't spend a lot of time on these boards but there always seems to be a contentious post by flannel diverting most them off topic. Canvas does need treating and in the case of large marquees it often needs fireproofing as well to meet local government rules.Dear Sean, Thankyou for your character assassination. 1. I actually know Geoff as it happens. Indeed , you may have noticed that if you'd actually read the whole thread. 2. Im asking because I have been asked for advice by folk at renewal about said tents and dont wish to advise about them until Geoff gives me some info. I could of course just go tell people that they should avoid it. However given Geoffs a mate kind of and these people would prefer to buy off him I reckoned it was polite to ask him. Especially as he can provide an answer. As it happens I have already stated it was unlikely Geoff sourced from a cowboy. 3. My comments and opinions on the armed forces are not connected to this post and were an expression of my opinion in a given set of circumstances, if you cant determine the difference between that and a direct accusation its not my problem. Feel free to start a thread on it and perhaps we'll discuss it. This would be better than using it as a random ad hominem argument because you can't produce anything more convincing. 4. Canvas does not NEED chem treating for waterproofing however there are additional treatments which can be used without overt damage, as correctly pointed out by anothe poster. These are more appropriate on different grades of Canvas. Many of these are not the treatments used abroad however hence my question. 5. Geoff appears to be happy to provide an answer. Which makes me question what the purpose of your post is. Other than to provoke argument. Which would be hypocritical no? 6. A question about what a tent has been waterproofed with is not actually off topic, so thats yet another accusation thats irrelevant to this thread. 7. Despite the fact that your post is an obvious personal attack, motivated by your own disagreement with my opinion and has NO relevance to the thread I shall not be reporting you to a mod because I think you already know why you posted. If you disagree that strongly you can PM me if you dont want to discuss in public. The Tent has been waterproofed, on top of it being water-resistant like canvas is. Fantastic. Bloke knows what he's doing. He sells Tents for a living, that might suggest he actually Does Know What He's Talking About. Dear Makai LARP Gosh you know what, I might know about tents too. Guess what, I might also have worked for a considerable amount of time making and selling things to LRP customers. You know what that means? I might know what Im talking about. And perhaps the clue is in the statement "for those people who are genuine potential buyers" Gosh and could I be asking on behalf of potential buyers? Guess I might eh? I am not very impressed that two sellers of itemry and gear do not think it necessary to answer customer queries or infact provide information about the product they are selling. Fortunately FBA do appear to think its neccessary.
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| Hmm, Dear Flannel, perhaps as a non-customer of mine you are sadly lacking in the ability to understand the depth that I go to explaining what I do and how I do it. I could give you many samples of customer comments about my interactions with them, from initial response all the way through to post delivery. You can go look in my sticky thread here too - I have a very transparent customer ethic. On my website I prefer to have just the meat as it were. I don't like putting up customer comments and feedback because 1) I haven't asked them to do so (although I can, it's part of "the Contract" of using my site) and 2) I don't think it's necessary. I might change my mind later, but if asked i'd be happy to quote some of them. It certainly wasn't clear you knew Geoff from the above posts. You are right, if Geoff wants to reply excellent - he seems to know his stuff and wants to deepen the customer experience. I've met him too - seems a proper customer-oriented person with the customer at heart. He didn't have to give me a Free Upgrade to my tent at Maelstrom Event 3, but he did come and find me out and deliver said item, emailed me beforehand to make sure I was going. Fantastic service. I'll keep plugging it too. I'll also jump in and defend someone that looks, for all intents and purposes, to be getting asked stupid questions by someone trying to get the rise. You might have made weapons, know about tents etc. You just don't come across as someone that does.
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| Dear Makai LARP. *shrug* Ah so you were just putting your oar in on the assumption that I was talking out my arse? *thinks* Fair enough, Ill try not to leap to that conclusion about you. It certainly wasn't clear you knew Geoff from the above posts. Not clear? What do you suppose Geoff meant by this then? "And anyway Flannel - I'm surprised at you, thought you'd support a former member of the Erin Navy in a spot of enterprise! How are Gul and Sergeant Salt anyway? And your goodself keeping well I hope?" I'll also jump in and defend someone that looks, for all intents and purposes, to be getting asked stupid questions by someone trying to get the rise. Are you saying my questions were irrelevant? Cos Im thinking thats not the case. Im thinking my questions were relevant. Im also wondering what it was that makes you think they were not? I mean really. C'mon. How is what a tent is waterproofed with not relevant to the tent? You might have made weapons, know about tents etc. You just don't come across as someone that does. Well frankly with commentary such as "The Tent has been waterproofed, on top of it being water-resistant like canvas is. Fantastic." nor do you. Fantastic?.......No not really, that could completely ruin it. Hence the question. Why the question? Because other Bell tents supplied in recent years to the LRP market have included substandard manufacturing, poor waterproofing, zipped doors that split and poles so flimsy the bent in the wind. Which has made many folk somewhat chary about buying them. Interestingly enough many people who bought these original tents assumed the seller knew what they were talking about. These were not tents supplied by Geoff. The ones Geoff had that I saw were remarkably good looking, it was the waterproofing that was my only concern.
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| I did mention previously I know nothing about tents. Wasn't that clear? Never said I did, quite the opposite in fact. I also bought a tent from Geoff and was very happy with it. I told him so and the fine people here didn't I? No idea other people had problems, have heard since they have (and not with Geoff's Tents) with tent poles, but not waterproofing per se. I expect anyone selling tents to have an idea of what it does / how it works and if they offer advice, that the advice is sound. If it's not, then i'll tell them it isn't good. Perhaps you should read through your own posts here again - I just did and i'm afraid you do come across a trifle "short and direct" which perhaps I took as being "an arse." I do too sometimes, them's the breaks. Happy to call it quits and keep going on about Geoff's Tents being Fab. (I love viral Marketing, it's great!)
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Once again - many thanks for the good comments about the Tents - all publicity is good (isn't it?)
I'll be at the September Maelstrom event, along with a number of tents. Any inspection is welcome.
Sean - will see you then for a well earned beer.
Ian - I'll look you up, maybe we can have a first beer?
Flannel - sadly I won't be at Renewal. But please ask anyone who is interested to email me and I can answer any questions they may have; it may be easier that way.
laters amigos
Geoff.
FBA Tents.
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