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| No. It had been waterproofed. Not the same as being waterproof.
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Hi Flannel (and all who maybe reading this),
I'm afraid that I cannot confirm whether the material has been bleached or not - I shall the contact the material supplier and pose the question.
However, the material as it stands is waterproof in it's own right - it then receives a further waterproofing coat which seems to work very well. They do not seem to need a 'top up' of waterproofing (fabsil etc) like other Bell tent makes - although I think it can never hurt to keep a can handy.
I have now had one of these tents erected for approx 9 weeks and It hasn't leaked once and we have had just about every type of weather (aprt from snow) that can be chucked at it.
It was nice to meet a couple of satisfied customers at Maelstrom, and good to hear that this was one of the only tents able to stand up to the awful weather earlier in the year at an event.
Many thanks, Geoff
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I answer to an earlier post - we shall be coming to Tolmer's for the event in September (Maelstrom) and so will be able to again deliver tents to those who would like one.
I'll be coming on the Friday in the afternoon so will be able have the tents available at the beginning of the event for those who would like one. The same price will stand as the previous event - £160.
If you would like it delivered prior to the event then the cost is a further £20.00 and I will need payment by paypal about 2 weeks before the event to guarantee delivery.
many thanks
Geoff
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Gunner (7/24/2008)
Hi Flannel (and all who maybe reading this),
I'm afraid that I cannot confirm whether the material has been bleached or not - I shall the contact the material supplier and pose the question.
However, the material as it stands is waterproof in it's own right - it then receives a further waterproofing coat which seems to work very well. They do not seem to need a 'top up' of waterproofing (fabsil etc) like other Bell tent makes - although I think it can never hurt to keep a can handy.Ah. Im not being weird mate but that was what I hoped hadnt happened. Canvas does not need waterproofing as it is naturally waterproof (as you point out). You should never ever ever waterproof it with another treatment. If you then waterproof it again you prety much render the Canvas tent irrelevant as it will now rely on the waterproofing. This will then wear off in two three years and its rather difficult to re waterproof that canvas. Pure canvas tents (contrary to your assertion) do not infact require 'top-up' proofing unless a numpty waterproofed them initially. Basically. That shouldnt have happened and in my book you should be telling people they are not recieving a natural canvas tent and that it has been waterproofed. Cos thats extremely relevant to a purchase decision. For my money it would be worth paying more not to have a tent that already had its life span limited. Id demand to know why your suppliers are doing this. It may be because the canvas isnt actually of sufficient quality in the first place (though it looked fine... seems a bit weird). If its just some idiocy theyve decided to do ask them not to and hopefully that will make the product even cheaper!
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| No idea on the waterproofing, just love the tent. And yes, it does stand up to Snow, we got that too at event 1. I don't work with canvas, so i've no idea about the waterproofing thing. I'd take that to a thread in "The Method" and see what anyone else says.
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Flannel (8/6/2008)
Canvas does not need waterproofing as it is naturally waterproof (as you point out). You should never ever ever waterproof it with another treatment.
Not entirely true because it depend on what you proof with and some specifics of the fibers in the canvas. Silicon i.e. (fabsil as mentioned) is a really really bad idea on all types of canvas. There are numerous sprays that can be used without affecting the original waterproofness and serving to make the fabric more water repellent. If this is required or not is a bit of a debatable point but it should help with mildew or other problems caused by long term exposure to water. Just don't leave canvas tents screwed up in bags when wet.
I assume the supplier isn't a prat and has used a suitable product to improve the tents.
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Well, that was a surprise to read!
I have to say thank you to Makai Larp for his comment on the tent and anyone else for their feedback.
I would also like to add that I have not had a single comment upon the waterproof qualities of my tents - save for one - yours Flannel.
I have had a family of five camp in one each year for the past 3 for upto five weeks at a time and not have a single complaint.
The waterproofing that has been added to the tent adds to its ability to repell rain - not takes anything away.
I think that if you read the feedback on this forum it will show that the tents seem to be quite alright and do offer value for money.
Other suppliers who offer canvas tents will also state that their tents have been treated for waterproofing. It just depends upon which agent is used to do the treating with.
Thank you for the good comments though!
I think to quote the previous poster - just don't leave wet or damp canvas tents screwed up as this will mess with the ability to repel water as well as make it a rather mouldy and smelly place to camp.
The canvas is good and so is the waterproofing.
Geoff.
(sorry for the tirade - sometimes comments hit a raw nerve!)
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