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| Standard disclaimer, player opinion only, yadda yadda. Some areas of the rules have been overhauled, some still need it. So here are my suggestions for areas that need attention; - Firearms - re-consider the ammo limit rules, at present AFAIK they only apply to certain kinds of guns. However dont make the limits too low, this isnt Riftworld (not a criticism of Rifty which is a game I love, just an observation that its a different kind of game)
- Medical supplies. At present when you buy 'source of medical supplies' you get 3 units per point spent. I'm using the word unit solely to distinguish between them and character points... Every potion or drug costs 1 unit - so a 'heal every wound everywhere' costs the same as a poultice. I consider this broken, as there is no incentive to buy the lower level healing items. I think that this should be changed, make the lower level 1 point items (medpacs and poultices) cheaper, and the really powerful healing items more expensive.
- Use of specialisms to do unusual things - may need some more expansion
Anyone got any other suggestions?
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| Ammunition limits, definitely. Or perhaps reliability issues with most weapons, as per the description of them in the main rules... I know that's easier with the Blood Red Roses system where, depending upon the quality of your supplier of gunpowder, anything from maybe none to three in five of your little foil-wrapped caps have already been fired... Some sort of balancing on the related combat skills seems appropriate too - Marksman for example needs a three second lead time before taking affect, but at the same time it needs a real /hit/ to make up for the shots you've lost by using it - as it is it's far, far more powerful than other abilities of its cost - especially when all you hear in a fight is Marksman Headshot Through, Marksman Headshot Through, Marksman Headshot Through, Marksman Headshot Through. Healing is blindingly fast - I would go so far as to say far too fast... I was put down three or four times by one thing or another and was invariably upright again in minutes like some sort of green-and-white yoyo. Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all ungrateful for that - but again, as someone used to the Blood Red Roses 'scream and bleed and limp all day' approach it was something of a shock to the system - and mostly seemed independant of the considerable skill of the PC medics, since it was coming from trauma packs and doses of wierd chemicals. There needs to be some sort of increased distinction between the technology types - from the 'herbal medicine' of the Dagdans to Cybel nanotech and Oonym bioware to the other sorts I've probably not seen yet... I mainly encountered medicine, but it seems that (for example, though it could be shuffled) Cybel equipment should work faster, Dagdan should be more readily replaced/refreshed and Oonym be capable of more extensive repair at a given level... You know, making each distinct approach work a little differently. Oh, and for heaven's sake, can we agree that any blow unmodified by a call is a 'single' and stop shouting 'single' every time we swing our swords like some kind of demented militant maccaw? ^_^ I'm sure more things will occur given time... but for the most part the system hung together well and was good fun... Especially the gunfight, the machine-gunning and the molotov on Saturday night. ^_^
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Wag
      
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| I think all the healing needs delays, but not quite to the extent of the BRR system. It was only at this event that I came to the conclusion that healing is far too fast and needs slowing down, I havent had so much crunch to deal with as a healer before. Cybel internal nanites take 5 minutes to restore 1 hit. Medpacs or poultices take 1 minute to do the same. I think they should be extended to 5 minutes to match the nanites. I dont think there should be different rules for different types of healing because it gets too complicated in play and access to different methods is not restricted (so Cybel can use herbalism if they want to). I think that 1 hit should take 5 mins, 1 location 10, and the 'total heal' (which should be made expensive) should take 15 to take effect; whether using pharmacological or herbal methods. That would remove the bouncing player issue. AFAIK any blow without a call is 'single' so I've no idea where all the calls came from!
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| Ammo limit. I suggest those with the skill get clip tokens, they get two to start off with plus one per extra point spent, this means you can have all the ammo you want if that's all you want from your character. Policing ammo and reloads will have to be down to trust Marksman. Limited use, once per combat or aiming time, slow count of three. For example "Marksman..3..2..1..Leg!" This should stop those snapped head shots. (credit to Dougle for this idea.) Dagdan edge. I suggest a fee dodge every combat to represent superior physical training. Less unbalancing than giving them extra damage as was suggested to me. Weapon calls. I'm with Paul on this one, calls for guns are needed as they dont go bang properly. However all single handed swords do one point of damage unless otherwise called so the call of single is really redundant and breaks the mood. lets stop it if we can.
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Wag
      
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| If someone was calling lots of 'marksman throughs' then they were cheating or have a lot of powercells... 'through' is only a damage call applied to energy weapons only and so they should also have been calling 'energy' as in 'marksman energy single through head'. Both the fact that it takes time to say and the fact that you spend powercells each time you do this should limit that call significantly. Energy damage should also not be affected by Jhaerag natural armour or kinetic shields. However, I did notice that Russ was not calling 'energy' as he should have been when calling his 'double throughs' as the cyborg and James did mention that he found it difficult to hear the damage calls from players sometimes when the mask was on so both of these issues may simply be 'crew not hearing/making the calls properly'. Marksman is a hideously expensive skill to take (it is 6 points in addition to the firearms skill you take so that makes it 9 - 18 points in total depending on whether you get it as part of ancient, modern or hi tech firearms. That is a significant chunk of your starting skill points (more than half to use modern weapons at 12 points and almost all of your starting points to do 'marksman double through' not including the costs to also buy the weapon itself and the powercells to power it) and the 'double range' thing is less useful than you might think as is the 'locational calls' since beyond certain ranges no one can hear your call anyway unless you have a really loud and clear pronunciation and you don't actually gain anything in rules terms for hitting the head than the torso (it just looks cooler - you do the same damage and the same chance of a kill shot). So I do not see the benefit in limiting it even more if someone has persisted in spending a hell of a lot of points to be 'really good with guns'. And none of that really takes into account heavy weapons (an extra 6 points on top of firearms to do maybe double or global damage for which location calls are even less useful). It has been said many times that the academic and technical skills are plotwise more important in the game than combat skills it is just that the combat skills keep you (or your mate who has these skills) alive long enough to actually get to use these skills. An adjustment which may make sense may be to state that you can 'snap fire' (i.e, NOT use Marksman) while moving but have to be standing still and 'bracing' the weapon in order to use Marksman. That may make a big difference in the dynamics of combat as it stops those with marksman running around (thereby avoiding being in a position to be attacked) and still gaining the advantage of the skill. I've already said that I am not willing to consider a system which obsessively counts ammunition mainly because I have seen what a headache this causes Martin and Sal (Fain and Fain's Minion) in admin for events and I do believe that it detracts from the flow and enjoyment of the event. It was agreed that Waypoint has different combat dynamics to Rifty and an emphasis more on the plot and discussion of plot than the acquirement of 'stuff' and combat. It is easy to do in single shot/ancient firearm/flintlock systems, especially when you have reload times but in modern firearms systems it can get complicated and leads to lists of different guns and clip sizes and reload rates and firerates and so on. Given that modern firearms costs 4 more than (or three times the cost of) basic weapon, allows you to do no more than single damage which is affected by armour at range and all full auto/armour piercing/knockdown/supression effects are costed and limited I don't see how it unbalances things too much. What may need to be done is to emphasise the fact that firearms damage is no different to melee damage unless a different call is made (supression fire, full auto, knockdown. through etc) and make sure that all players and crew are aware of this.
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| Actually, from the rules I think longarms do 'through' damage as well... Ah, there we are - Uzi's to M-16's penetrate all armour at up to fifteen to twenty feet. It doesn't say that they do 'through' damage, but since that seems to be the call for 'ignore armour' I assume that was what the player was getting at. At least I think it was a player - I honestly never saw the guy making the calls.
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| Oh yes, I forgot about that and I am not aware of it ever being used in play... I may fiddle this a little and think about some figures for making the damage calls easier... For example, I may make it so that auto weapons of any type penetrate armour (i.e. do thorugh) and knockdown only if on full auto setting which means you use a clip up. More or less what they do anyway on full auto. If yoiu are not calling full auto then they do normal damage.
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I thought kinetic firearms had to make noise when fired? And that there are ammo limits on the snackier guns?
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| Full auto and suppression fire shots empty an entire clip of ammo. All players have 10 clips for all thier full auto capable phys rep guns (in other words, if you have a full auto capable gun you have 10 shots of it no matter how many guns to bring to the event). Heavy weapons have limited shots (again 10 per player with heavy weapons) as most of those do double and many do 'all locations' damage. Grenade launchers fire grenades which you need to buy using the background 'source of explosives' and increase the range of these significantly. Energy weapons are obviously limited by the number of powercells you have. There was a thread on ammunition a while back and most people voted for 'no ammo limits at all' as opposed to several options which included '100 or so shots per event per person' and '15 shots per gun' style options. I am happy to open another poll and see if opinions have changed.
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| I wouldn't say count things down to the last bullet but there is only so much ammo you can carry around with you, so there needs to be some way of tracking at least the number of reloads (clips) a player has. Even if it down to trust it would probably be fairly obvious to crew and player refs if someone was taking the mickey with it. That said, if re-supply is easy then extra ammo isn't a problem but if for example you're headed deep into the desert on Avar or the Dagdan wilderness then you really do need to limit supplies until they make contact with a supply source again.
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