Seems fair to me.  That's (one of the reasons) why I don't eat meat or by products of slaughter.  I'm also quite happy and about the only thing I can be said to miss are:

a) fish fingers

and

b) Those little Bernard Matthew's mini kievs.

So, all told, I eat more healthily now.  Anyway, I could never be vegan because I'd never be able to drink mead again.  The horror!

But Coffmeister dairy cows, sheep(wool), chickens(eggs) do all get the chop at the end of their productive lives. So isn’t that just as cruel as breeding them to be slaughtered for meat?

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Vegan diet is a voluntary life style chosen by the particpators of their own free will for a range of reasons.

Forcing such a diet on a non-willing participant especially one that is designed to hunt and kill on such a basic level it still exhibits those traits even after years of domestication is unethical and as Shelford points out an abuse of the right to freedom that many Vegans demand is central to animal rights. Dogs want to eat meat give me a bloody hunk of cow and a potatoe and we'll see which one the dogs prefer,,,

Doing it to Cats you should be shot for.

Arguably it is far more evil since its a tacit refusal to utilise the entirity of an animal you probably use for other produce not to mention leather. Which is wasteful and shows a lack of respect for life.

I am saying this is one argument, not that it is particularly one I find appealing

However, to completely doom all domestic animals to extinction, everyone would have to become vegetarian or vegan and I don't think even the most optimistic vegetarian or vegan would expect that to be a reality. Not even the mad cow, avian flu and salmonella scares (which have done a hell of a lot to convince some to change diet) persuaded everyone that meat was bad for you. Countless studies on carconogenic properties of meat have likewise had little impact.

I personally think that everyone has a right to eat as they wish and the current way of thinking allows this to be so. You are rarely laughed at or condemned for being a vegan these days. You can eat in restaurants without people giving you strange looks because of some 'Californian fad'. At least you can in this country now... I think you get tarred and feathered in France for even looking like a vegan

The only thing I say to vegetarians is that you do have to be extra careful about certain nutrients. You have to make sure that you are getting enough nutrition in your diet. Most sensible veggies I know do know this and take care. The ones I worry about are the ones who simply take an ordinary meal (meat and two veg) and just remove the meat and think that is healthy.

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Eating meat is not good for you, nor has it been a source of joy to me.  I now eat better than I did when I wasn't.  I don't want to eat gelatine (ground up cow and big bones) because I find it all fairly disgusting.  If you want to eat it, that's fine, but I don't.  So deal.  Please note the emphasis above.

As for leather?  I generally try and avoid it, but character's need armour and metal's too expensive. 

Something that may give you food for thought:  I made the decision to not eat meat or fish in 1999 and then in 2000 I stopped eating gelatine containing products.  I'm still relatively unfussy about cheese (although I find the way whey is made fairly horrific) but am choosing "vegetarian" whenever I can.

So, according to the arguments on this board, if I couldn't change to a completely healthy and great meat free lifestyle, _straight_ away in 1999, then I shouldn't bother even trying and would be a massive hypocrite for even thinking about it.

Grow up.

I feel all grown up! I was only asking a question.

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