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All taken from the Smoking Ban thread when it went off topic.Shelford (5/2/2007)
Andy Rimmer (5/2/2007)
Bored now, what else can we argue about (sorry ,debate)? Vegans! Whats that all about eh? Andy Rimmer (5/2/2007)
Shelford Vegans! Whats that all about eh? How come they all wear Dr Martins- shouldn't they wear wellies made from recycled Tofu or something? As for George- how can you give a veto to someone who can't even spell it? [b]Ian Sturrock (5/2/2007)
Doc Martens made vegan boots for many years... not sure if they still do.
I'm not vegan, but I have a lot of friends who are, and I can kinda see their point -- they really ARE better people than I am. Still, I love bacon and eggs. And lemon-and-garlic chicken. And steak-and-kidney casserole. So I've just accepted that I'm relatively unethical, in the greater scheme of things.Richard Brooks (5/2/2007)
Now vegans are too easy to pick on. They are all too weak from malnourishment to do anything about what you say. Shelford (5/2/2007)
Yeah the Vegan thing. My mates one and I haven’t really pushed the point due to not really wanting to get on his nerves. Like Ian said I can see their point of view and commend them for it but there’s a few gaps. For instance if you have chickens as pets and they lay eggs then as a vegan you could eat them? After all your not exploiting animals are you? I suppose you could eat road kill as well? Ah I’m just curious I suppose.Mistress P (5/2/2007)
Maybe roadkill is only ethical if you hit it yourself on a peddle-bike or in a hybrid car. It's probably not very ethical if it was mown down by an SUV.Andy Rimmer (5/3/2007)
How are Vegans better people? I mean , I know some lovely vegans- but I think they'd still be nice people if they ate meat, I also know lots of vegans who are just fussy tossers or bandwagon riders. What I've never really understood is their arguments- how can they be more nature friendly by denying nature, as I thought Human Beings were Omnivores- hence the canine teeth and the drooling when we smell roasting meat? Also how do the ones who insist on feeding their dogs vegan food justify it? Surely dogs are carnivores (more or less). I can totally deal with reasons like- "I don't like meat", "I saw a Greenpeace film and it put me off", " I can't be bothered to chew my food", etc,'cos they're all about personal choice- but when they start spouting bollocks science/environment or economic reasons it starts to irritate me. Shelford (5/3/2007)
Hmm I agree Andy. The other thing that gets my back up is when them there Vegans/Veggies start going on about environmental issues and don’t stop to think about the carbon footprint of the out of season exotic fruit and veg they consume.Flannel (5/3/2007)
Andy Rimmer (5/3/2007)
Also how do the ones who insist on feeding their dogs vegan food justify it? Surely dogs are carnivores (more or less). Such people should not be allowed to keep dogs.
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Hmm... but dogs can survive on a vegetarian diet and cats can't. (Which is just as well, or we'd never hear the end of it). I agree that you shouldn't just feed dogs corn. It means that they don't taste as nice when you eat them.
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Dogs, like humans, are omnivores, and can pretty much eat anything that humans eat. They cant eat chocolate (the theobromide is poisonous), and mustnt have grapes and raisins in large volumes (3g per kg of the dog's weight, which is a lot).
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| Could it be said that keeping a dog could be against Vegan principals? Afterall isn't keeping a dog in captivity kind of exploitative? *By the way I'm not anti Vegan just interested in some of the theories!
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| Well actually the economic argument does hold water (not that i'm going to stop eating meat or meat products), the energy, resouces and space required to support a omnivorous diet far out strips that needed by a vegan. Just using basic science it's clear that only a tiny proportion of the energy given to livestock in the form of food is going to make it into the meat you eat as the rest is required to make it live. Also cattle and other animals require large open spaces if they are going to be farmed 'ethically' space which could produce much more food if farmed for crops.
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If someone is able to stick to a vegan diet I respect their willpower (because, frankly, it'd be way greater than mine). Just as long as they don't preach to me about it or try to take the moral high ground I'm not that bothered.
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Shelford (5/3/2007)
Could it be said that keeping a dog could be against Vegan principals? Afterall isn't keeping a dog in captivity kind of exploitative? *By the way I'm not anti Vegan just interested in some of the theories! A vegan I knew had cats so I guess keeping pets wasnt against her vegan principles.
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| OK dogs are omnivores, but I'm bloody sure that if I stuck a plate of Tofu and a plate of skanky, flensed 30% sawdust and floor sweepings- eco burgers in front of a Veggy dog it would choose the burgers
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