From what I can see this incident was the result of someone finding the flagellants offensive and a (or some) refs making a decision, these things happen.

The Lt run large events, they can't screen the people attending them so they have to apply a "what is the most stupid/dangerous thing a player could do..." attitude to their events, believe me after 12 years of crewing for them I know that someone, somewhere will try to do the most stupid/dangerous thing. Unfortunately this can cause offense to "normal", sane people with an average amount of common sense, but usually only up to the point were their mate gets shot with a live arrow, punched in the face with a plate gauntlet or their 12 year old walks into an iC tent to find a naked priestess conducting a fertility ritual with 20 barbarian warriors ( yes she really was giving BJ's to 20 or so blokes). All of these things |(and many more)have happened, so not surprisingly the LT tend to err on the side of caution

You're absoloutley right marios. The LT should have provided a guide for what is acceptable and not acceptable for all possible character concepts. And when they do make up for this oversight rest assured that volume 16 will have possible character concept no 1673, The self Flagellant.

Or... we could use common sense and the few people who have a character concept that might have risky elements to it could contact the LT individually, and/or at the event temper there roleplaying depending on where they are and who is around them.

Good for you. why are you slumming with us then? to be honest Marios, it's lear the LT is far to inferior a system for you, so are you just here to troll the peasants a bit before you go on with your superior games.

I think what annoys me most about your views here and on the Arson thread is that i've seen you roleplay and whilst IC I want to hang yens and get someone to raise him because it would piss him off the most I still admire the way you play him and think that despite having a similar secondary for an event you are a cracking roleplayer yet you are approaching the LT with such an arrogant atagonisitic view that is leaving you in a place where the only difference between you and Roy Blewitt is you have decent oratory skills.  At some point you need to say "Well this isn't the game for me" and go look at someone else game, or stop looking for arguments for arguing's sake and start planning how you are going to make your gathering a good event!

No, but the LT gets a lot of weirdo's (and not I run around the woods i nfancy dress weirdo, but real weirdo's) and as such has to have rules that cover them doing things that a lot of the rest of the player base may find offensive. Was the flaggellants offensive... read Lisa's (The attending Ref) post which is referenced from this thread. Actally. as well as that take what Andy said and apply it to the arson thread as well!

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I was going to copyright my posts... but then remembered this is an LRP forum!

What the... couples having sex at LRP events I can deal with, even if it's ostensibly IC and they're just 'phys-repping' it. But that's just ridiculous!

Anyway, I don't do LT (heard too many bad things and not enough good things... but that's another story and anyone who asks on this thread will be ignored) but having seen IC flagellation and taken part in IC floggings and torture I'm of the opinion that anyone who copies it and really hurts themselves or someone else because they don't know what they're doing is a muppet and deserves everything they get... what I mean is punish them for their stupidity, don't punish everyone else (especially those who are sensible enough to do it safely).

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I don't think that is appropriate. You as the consumer should not have to contact the company about what is or what isn't appropriate. LT as a provider of LARP should have literature that is easily accessible to all. Why it is not in an easily accessible format on the website I do not know, and I was somewhat underwhelmed at having to pay for a rulebook, although I hasten to add I last did LT between 2002-2003.

Also I do know that the LT state that all major events are family events, it is not well defined as to what consists offence. I do believe that if you are a parent taking children to a LARP event the onus is on you to be the primary caregiver of your children. If your children want to know what is going on and what those people are doing, you should be able to explain to them.

Considering all LARP will to some extent mirror reality in someway, this will invariably include concepts that some people find offensive, like religion, gods, combat torture... If you are offended by these concepts then perhaps that LARP is not the hobby for you.

However, a suitable chain of command for reporting incidents and possible infringment should also be present and from my time as an LT player and from friends who still are LT players, this chain is rather nebulous. Without consistency and a good chain of command it will be difficult to track and verify complaints.

Those standards are relatively accessible, I'll grant you that although the LT website isn't exactly user-friendly and doesn't appear to have been updated since 2003, but I digress.

Although the ban to rape, torture and arson is clear a “reasonable standard of decency, both physically and verbally” is less so.

There is no mention of a ban of portraying religion and gods in a fantasy context or religious rituals, which is what flaggelation is. I know the people playing these flagellents and at any time in-game to the best of my knowlege they were not indecently dressed or trying to torture other people. As stated before, flagellation is not torture as it is being done between people who are consenting to it IC.

I find it difficult that while it is OK to maim and kill people IC it is not OK to cause sub-lethal damage. Why is death meant to be 'easier' to deal with than torture in a fantasy context? As for rape, that is a topic for another thread.