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I know the cost of an event is relative to how much money you have available to spend but £45 is excellent value for money.
The actual ticket price of an event is about the smallest part of my outlay, I spent £70 in petrol driving up from Portsmouth and back to Weymouth and you really don't want to know how much I spent on a return ferry ticket from the Islands.
I'm not advocating that every event organiser doubles their prices or anything but if you consider that I spent about £12 going to watch 300 in Weymouth to be pretty bored for 2 hours I think £45 for 2 nights and a days live entertainment with some free food and booze thrown in there is no comparison.
I'd be happier if organisers budgeted to make a profit from events to a) ensure they have sufficient funds to cover the upfront costs of their next event b) invest in more props, kit and booze for it.
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Jenko (3/30/2007)
I'd be happier if organisers budgeted to make a profit from events to a) ensure they have sufficient funds to cover the upfront costs of their next event b) invest in more props, kit and booze for it.
I've argued repeatedly for more expensive events, £45 is peanuts for a weekends entertainment, compared to everything else we do. My time is short I'd rather spend it on quality expensive events than cheap events with corners cut.
But a lot of hobbyists have "expectations" of what events should cost and a lot of LRPers are broke and find £45 a lot for an event. There has to be a balance, would you have wanted less people at the event? I would have liked more and economics claims that a cheaper product will sell better (I don't think it actually works for LRP, but that's a separate argument).
Personally I think "discounts" for students/benefits/etc are an excellent compromise to try to get an event cheap enough for the financially challenged to attend and wealthy enough to make it worth those with jobs giving up their precious weekends to go.
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I think obviously my expectation was based upon Vikings 1 when I got fed!!  food always attracts larpers!
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Event organisers should never be out of pocket, if it is going to cost you £55 a head to run it then charge £55 a head to run it.
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Matt Pennington (3/30/2007)
Personally I think "discounts" for students/benefits/etc are an excellent compromise to try to get an event cheap enough for the financially challenged to attend and wealthy enough to make it worth those with jobs giving up their precious weekends to go.
I'm not sure that that is the best way to go, surely that is going to encourage the more surly and less generous amongst those of us who are more finacially secure to grumble about the freeloaders.
Maybe some new fangled Cash-o-meter type web sorcery that says "event costs x to all-comers" "event is costing us xyz and thus far we have y" "If you are able to contribute a, b or c to the costs of running this event then please click here"
Obviously if you are a profit making business running lrp then this idea is shit but for the more common "we are giving up our time, effort and far too often money to run this event for you" maybe this altruistic model of being able to give what you feel you can afford without compulsion or any spurious benefit accruing from it is a way forward, or maybe I've just got my economic principles arse about face hence I shall never be a rich man....
Nick
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LRP organizers should adopt the Ransom Publishing Model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom_publishing_model
The event will run once we get the cash to run it... is that the kind of thing you're talking about Jenko?
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Yep why not, it kind of works that way now anyway with a lot of the smaller systems, whereby they have a minimum number of attendees who must book before they will commit to run or refuse to run if they don't get a certain number of players. Of course this often has as much to do with ensuring enough numbers for quality of the game as about covering costs.
But I guess what I am saying is:
X is the amount it will cost you to play
If you feel like contributing a sum above X to help us cover costs/improve the event then this is the mechanism.
Of course it doesn't have to be cash, there are a number of ways that people in the hobby can and do help out other event organisers: loaning stuff, offering their time and effort to help set up, food, drink etc it's all one big co-operative anyway. It would just be nice if organisers acknowledged that a proportion of their event is based on goodwill and gave everyone a mechanism for contributing to it.
Bah I'm waffling now....
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Jenko (3/30/2007)
I'm not sure that that is the best way to go, surely that is going to encourage the more surly and less generous amongst those of us who are more finacially secure to grumble about the freeloaders.
What, because the people without incomes are paying £5 or £10 less for an event than we are? It's possible I suppose, although I've never seen it.
To my mind, what is needed is more people at LRP events generally. It's pretty clear that for some people (e.g. you and I) the ticket price is hardly relevant, whereas for others it is a big deal.
On the other hand, I used to run a local club and we used to charge £5 for a linear. And people complained about the price so we reduced it to £3 and less people came and they still complained about the price. I think we dropped it to £1 and even less people came and they still complained about the price. My conclusion - people always complain about the price, but the price sets a perceived value, if a 3 hour adventure only costs £3 it must be pretty shit mustn't it?
That said, too high a price and too many people will grumble and not enough will go. The first event, with more players, was more enjoyable than the second event with less, for my tastes. So if a different economic model meant more players, I'd vote for it. And if I were a player, I'd pay for it too... If that meant staggered costings based on income, I'd be happy with that. Maybe others wouldn't it, but perhaps if the benefits to everyone were explained?
Ian Sturrock(3/30/2007)
LRP organizers should adopt the Ransom Publishing Model:
The problem with LRP on that model is that you'd need a very long lead up time. Because you couldn't book your site until you'd met your minimum... Publishers can just wait until they hit a target and then publish and send to everyone who has bought. But what if you can't make the date that is decided on after you had paid for the event?
It's not unworkable, Hyborian Tales seems to have pulled this very trick just recently (see the book now or we'll cancel you bastards thread) and it has worked. It's just with all the logistical and date and site issues that go into running an LRP event, I'm struggling to see how this would be less stressful for the organizers than the normal model...
History is an important source for LRP. Along with other works of fiction.
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