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Heroic Knight
 
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| IRON EAGLE - 200 player 2WW game in south wales. November 2-4. NORMANDY. Player places go on sale June 4th. If you have no kit, we can provide everything. www.gunmanairsfot.co.uk for more details. Also, AXIS 1938 game is filling up, so if you want to book on best pull el fingures out June 22-24 ALLIED 'Great Escape' tickets go on sale July 2nd for October 19-21 at Harmer green, Wellyn Garden City. Any enquiries@gunmanairsoft.co.uk cheers guys
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| So, Iron Eagle has been forced to back down. I cannot even describe how angry I am at the major hypocracy that goes on the LRP community with regards to this. How many of you have played Drow? How many of you have reveled in being blood sucking "oh god I hate myself but I'm so evil" vampires? Yet when someone tries to put together some serious roleplay about being on the bad guys side, and some proper ethical roleplay, where walking up and slaying the orc isn't going to save the fucking village, everyone's up in arms? What a crock of shit. So these people actually existed as opposed to your vampires and other bad guys. I suppose this brings to too close to home for some of you. Well take a fucking wake up call, and realise that this hobby has several dimentions, and I'm at least as disturbed by people who use it to explore other "darker" facets of their personality, you, know, like Beasitality to all you closet (or not so closet) furries out there. Forcing Iron Eagle to abandon it's intial postion because you don't like it based on some wired assumption that the concept is based around lining up and shooting Jews and gypsies is short sighted and stupid based on the multiple denials that have come out of these boards that it's just not what it's about. If you're worried it glorifies war, then take a good long look at your hobby, where you routinely HACK PEOPLE TO DEATH that have spilled your pint in the tavern, and consider whether World of Warcraft isn't more your style. Dave Y CP : Kommissar Molotov Big Damned Heroes : J. Vaughn
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Dave Y (6/1/2007)
So, Iron Eagle has been forced to back down.
Were they forced? By a dozen angry posters on Rule 7? If that's force I'm surprised we had to send so many soldiers to Iraq, they could have just started a thread here called "Saddam is bad - discuss" and presumably he'd have resigned by the end of the week.
Ok, I'm mocking the idea even though it's pretty clear that some of the posts that appear here do influence people, but it seems to me that there is a great deal of difference between force and influence. There seemed to me to be a range of opinions given, some felt the idea was terrible period, some (like myself) thought it was fine but just wanted to see it handled carefully and with suitable disclaimers and a few thought it was great and defended it to the hilt. If the guys who run the game felt overwhelmed by the very vocal opposition here then that's a shame, but Josh has always struck me as a pretty independent guy. My assumption is that his response to the the more lurid and less articulate criticism would have been "fuck you".
It would be a shame to think that we can't discuss things openly here without forcing people to do what we ask. If any event organizers do feel overwhelmed by vocal criticism then they should keep in mind some simple rules. 1) No publicity is bad publicity and 2) You can't please all the people all of the time. That last cliche is particularly appropriate to LRP. You can't please everyone and you shouldn't try, the only people who matter to an event organizer are your players. If someone jumps up and down shouting and screaming about how it just ain't right and that he's not going to the game as a result, then ignore him. He's not going to the game, he's not one of your players and his opinion is not really worth jack. We run events for our players, not for the internet hacks.
I cannot even describe how angry I am at the major hypocracy that goes on the LRP community with regards to this. How many of you have played Drow? Yet when someone tries to put together some serious roleplay about being on the bad guys side, and some proper ethical roleplay, where walking up and slaying the orc isn't going to save the fucking village, everyone's upin arms?
You're perfectly welcome to your opinons, but I don't think you're right. I think there is a very valid argument that totally make believe violence and evil is less "real" than historical re-enactment style evil. If I see an ork in a helmet I think cool, if I see an ork in a helmet with a swastika on I think "ugh". I don't think that's hypocrisy or double standards I think it's a genuinely different feeling or response. I've played drow, skaven and other evil characters, in fact I have a strong preference for evil characters over good ones. But I wouldn't feel remotely comfortable playing an evil concentration camp commandant, I'd be so put off I doubt I could do it. But I really do think that killing millions of elves is different to killing millions of jews.
What a crock of shit. So these people actually existed as opposed to your vampires and other bad guys. I suppose this brings to too close tohome for some of you. Well take a fucking wake up call, and realise that this hobby has several dimentions, and I'm at least as disturbed by peoplewho useit to explore other "darker" facets of their personality, you, know, like Beasitality to all you closet (or not so closet) furries out there.
To be honest that reads like a pretty cheap shot, but if you genuinely think that furries are acting out bestialisty fantasies using LRP games, I think it would make an interesting discussion thread in its own right.
Forcing Iron Eagle to abandon it's intial postion because you don't like it based on some wiredassumption that the concept is based around lining up and shooting Jews andgypsiesisshort sighted and stupid based on the multiple denials that havecome outof these boards that it's just not what it's about. Ifyou're worried it glorifies war, then take a good long look at your hobby, where you routinely HACK PEOPLE TO DEATH that have spilled your pint in the tavern, and considerwhether World of Warcraft isn'tmore your style.
I think the fear was that it might glorify the holocaust or racist fascism, I'm not sure anyone was remotely concerned about glorifying war. I think it's a shame that Iron Eagle have changed direction with the game, but then I was very happy by their statements about the game that appeared here later on in the thread. The hobby needs challenging games I think, especially if we want to be taken more seriously by non-lrpers. No-one is going to get funding for a hobby where elves and goblins throw spells at each other. If the Iron Eagle team has been forced to change their game then that's a tragedy, but at the moment I'm unaware of any force being applied other than a few critical threads here on rule 7.
At the end of the day this is an internet forum, what is it for if not for people to express their opinions about LRP games?
History is an important source for LRP. Along with other works of fiction.
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Heroic Knight
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| Guys, the choice to change from Waffen SS to nice and cuddly Hess units was simple. More peeps will book on to the game! I also have thousands of hits each month on the GMA website and who knows who's looking! so all LARP has been moved to a small ADVENT link at the bottom of the website. I have my local city council looking at sending me 40 kids a day during the summer hols for games and SS might put em off!:-( The support for this game, as well as the oppersition to it, has been overwhelming and in the Airsoft community simalar discussions are being had! However 2WW is the new black at the mo and growing what with all the new authentic and cheap kit hitting the market!! Over the years we have run some 150 events including Airsoft! and no event has got me as excited as IRON EAGLE, hell there are 2ww sites you can rent and use all over the country!! Cheers for the heart felt surpport dave and trust me we don't get bullied into any decision, the pc topic you have hit on doesn't sit just in larp! its in out society now!! and we will run larp how we like when we like as long as peeps book on and enjoy, the qaulity is upheld and the upmost respect is given, what ever the flavour!! The more that experience these games, the greater they will be! we're getting our feet wet with a 200 player beach landing event at candleston, south wales Nov 2-3! (which was used during the war for training) as well as the heavy larp event and SS will still feature in all the IRON EAGLE, but they wont head line:-) All I can say is give it a try!! BTW...how good was 'Black Book' Awsome film! Josh
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Gunman (6/1/2007)
we're getting our feet wet with a 200 player beach landing event at candleston, south wales Nov 2-3! You have intrigued me good sir. Where should I direct my enquiries?
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Heroic Knight
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| just goto www.gunmanairsoft.co.uk and hit the iron eagle banner, then see the Normandy weekend. Were planning two other events to go with this on! AXIS training weekend Sep 21-23 at our 2ww site in Tuddenham, Suffolk and Allies training weekend Oct 5-7 same site. Both these events will feature mission based objectives that will be needed for Nov, all the troops will be put into there units and band of brothers it. There will be a naffy and officers mess set up featuring darts, pool table cards and so on, as well as old movies on a projector screen and live1940's style entertainment (im booking singers)! It will also give everyone a chance to learn and implement the rules of the game (which have been posted for feedback but not finalised yet) All costume and weapons will be as authentic as poss and we can supply everything to rent or buy for all the events. Gonna be awsome!!
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| "October 19-21 Allies Game at Harmer Green - POW - The Great Escape. 35 player event. This event is selling out very quickly so please get your name down soon, also the Allies booklet is almost done and will be uploaded with the axis on at www.gunmanairsoft.co.uk asap" If this is the Harmer Green near Welwyn Garden City then are you sure about them being alright about airsoft, 'cos when I was down there last weekend and mentioned that I was hoping to do some there, they said that they would't have airsofters down again as apparently someones dog was hit about 15 years ago.
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| The game in October is a LARP game, not airsoft!! though airsoft guns will be used for the weapons. There will be very little shooting if none at all at the event! GMA ran an airsoft weekend there two years ago and to be honest, its imposible with all the dog walkers wandering into your tapped up areas and kids trying to set fire to trees with petrol cans. I would strongly recomend this site is NOT used for airsoft, only LARP and scouts!! oh and the wildlife bunch + we run 'flying lead, walking dead' up there every year and its hell picking up the blank cartrages, let along 2 million bbs Airsoft and Harmergreen should not be mixed!
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