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Champion
 
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| goddamit! stupid forums keeps breaking on me! Anyway, love the simplicity of the rules :-) and isn't tuddenham in bury St Edmunds, which would be suffolk?
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Prodigal
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Reading a history book is one thing, but Nazi Larp? The game?
No thank you. An emphatic no thank you. I can't think of anything lower on my list of 'things I want to do in a LRP context'. World War 2 LRP, yes. Casablanca LRP, yes please.
Waffen/SS LRP? No. A four letter and three letter no, in fact.
I'd be interested to know if you get high numbers though, or any numbers outside your social circle.
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Champion
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| I think people are getting a tad oversensitive on this. No one is asking you to go out and start a concentration camp, you are going to be playing soldiers in the army, you are a grunt, you do as you are told, and I very much doubt you will be told to go and round up the jews of poland. Yes, Nazi Germany did horrible things, but wehrmacht soldiers did a job, much like british soldiers did a job. I expect to get called for saying this, but the acts of a very small proportion of the german population are making people get a bit carried away with what is, at the end of the day, a game. do people refuse to play Germans in Flames of war? does no-one play Germany in WWII online, or sudden strike, or company of heroes? call of duty? Will no-one play germans in a re-enactment? Next you will be telling me no-one has ever larped a vampire and fed on innocents, played a troll and murdered a village. As an edendum, before I get called a Nazi lover, I would like to point out IF it was the kind of game where I was to round up jews and so on, I wouldn't play, but I honestly don't think people would write such a game.
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| Hi hiffanno. Have a look at the first page. I've already been there with this. And the player characters aren't from the Army, they're from the WAFFEN SS, and that's a whole different kettle of worms. I wouldn't have a problem if PC's were from a Heer/Luftwaffe etc unit. I also have no problem with re-enactment groups portraying SS troops - they were a part of the history of WW2. But this isn't historical re-enactment in a group which does public displays and has to show a sense of propriety. The proper re-enactment groups vet potential members to make sure they don't have nazi sympathies. I have no problem with airsoft games where Heer or Waffen SS troops appear. It's the whole idea of 'role-playing' SS soldiers that makes me unsettled. But I'm gonna shut up now before I go on a rant. Read the first page dude. H
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Champion
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| yeah, fair enough, I understand your concerns. although I believe the organiser did explain his unit choice, and the reasoning behind it. I understand passions can get high, I really like the basics of the system, and it does give a chance to play something "different" Trust me, if it really does come down to ridiculous SS Nazi style stuff, i would leave. (assuming I can even afford to go!) Of course, if the Allied game runs, that would be cool too! maybe a "meeting" of the forces at a future event!
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Squire
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| I understand this is going to sound perverse, but for this game to be historically accurate and balanced there would need to be some of that ridiculous ss nazi stuff in it. Why? Because they were the Waffen SS. What I guess disturbs me most is the current revisionist history stuff about the SS being 'just elite infantry soldiers who were nice to kittens and everything.' Ok, most serious histories admit that, real life not being simplistic, there genuinely were Waffen SS troops who were just professional soldiers and were innocent of atrocities. But it's a gross generalisation to say that they were all nice or all evil. You cant skew life one way and ignore the other side of the coin. If the intention is to portray a Waffen SS unit through the course of the war, then at least some of the characters would have to be card carrying anti-semitic nazi scumbags who wouldn't think twice about slaughtering 'non-aryans'. The way I see it (and I'm ready to be flamed), the difference between a LRP game and a re-enactment/battle event is that a skirmish/living history display is portraying a specific vignette/snapshot of life, whereas an LRP event is about getting inside the personalities and experiences of the character over a period of time. Sure, show the players' unit in combat as the hard-core outfit that they would have been, but if this campaign is going to trace that unit over the period of the war, sooner or later the players are going to be put in to some pretty 'controversial' situations where they'll have to make choices I wouldn't want to make on an LRP game. What happens when the Player characters are ordered to execute Russian prisoners as 'slavic subhumans'? It happened but I don't want to go there ta. What happens if they meet the Norfolk Regiment after D-Day, and they remember what 1st SS did to their mates at Dunkirk? Ouch. And if the game isn't going to be a 'historical' exploration of 'real' issues (yadda yadda) then why choose such a controversial subject unit? I'm sounding totally like the voice of doom here and I really really hate knocking people's games (particularly WW2 events!). I hope it's a great event and it spawns more, but I'm just a bit worried about what I see as a slightly naive and one-sided view of the Waffen SS being displayed here. But that's a point of view. As a WW2 British re-enactor I admit I won't have read as much SS material as an SS re-enactor, and I'm not knocking those guys at all (2BG are fantastic). Yes the uniforms are 'cool' (Oakleaf and Pea Pattern camo is still about the best camouflage there is). But, i dunno, it's the 'high politics role playing' bit which makes me windy. But I guess it's a bit of a trap. Portray the SS 'warts and all' and you don't have a 'fun' LRP experience, and tone them down and you have sad people like me whining that it's not historically accurate (from my point of view anyway). If you're going to do this event, seriously read up on the history, ethos and training of the Waffen SS from as many varied and serious sources as you can, and make up your own mind. The Eagle Has Landed - the LRP game. That I'd go for. Fallschirmjager uniforms are much cooler... Ducks for Flame-Cover H
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Champion
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Alas, pea cammo came later than the game setting :-( ( i think!)
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Apprentice
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| The thing is here, there comes a time when you get a little bored with "mainstream" LRP and want some special interest stuff. Personally, I really like horror and want to run it with elements of the horror that would have (mainly but not exclusively American) evangelist Christians calling it devil worship or whatever. We had a (fake) Seance in one of my previous games, and a couple of people were a little dubious about it and would not take part. As it turned out, the players loved it and, of course, it was all stage managed. I'm sure the same comes when you want to play WW2 reenactment with a difference - how about playing Walfen SS? Personally, I don't have a problem with it because I know Benjy (I am loosely part of his "social circle"), and while he likes to take LRP to the edge, I know it's not done because he has Nazi sympathies. It is all in aid of making a different, adult LRP experience. I should mention that I wont be going to this game because, as someone involved in politics, I know the media would overreact ridiculously and we live in a world where the tabloid papers have far too much power of people's opinions. But that is because of my personal circumstances. And if other people find it offensive or too close the wire, well they can choose not to take part. But I don't think its fair to attack the event or suggest it is inappropriate. We on this forum should know exactly what LRP is and that as such this sort of event is simply different, unless you have reason to believe it is being run with ulterior motives by people who want to promote Nazi ideology. If you wanted to, a case could be made against all sorts of different LRP settings. Playing British soldiers in Victorian or 1920's times could be seen as pandering to British Imperial sentiments. Playing Modern day American soldiers could be seen as supporting American imperialism and the bombing of innocent Iraqis in certain eyes. Please, don't start going down the road of attacking people for doing things that are different. Make the point you consider it a bit close to the wire and wont be taking part, make suggestions to stop extremists, but please, don't start a witchhunt. The whole hobby is devalued if you do.
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