Using Airsoft technology as well as LRP weaponry, Iron Eagle will be the ongoing story of a Waffen Infantry Unit during WWII.

The emphasis is on a high level of interaction, politics and intrigue with heart stopping, adrenaline fuelled combat.

We are able to supply costume and period weaponry for very reasonable prices.

Places are limited and filling quickly. Event cost is just £65 and is fully catered.

We don't have a website up and runnin yet, but that is being worked on. If you are interested please email me directly (benjyh2001@yahoo.co.uk please mark your email with Iron Eagle in the subject) and I can send you a copy of the rules and booking details.

There are also a few crew spaces available, again contact me for availability

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It's only a game!!!!!!!!!!!

I say that because, maybe it's just me, but at the moment it kinda looks like 'Waffen SS Live Role Playing', and that seems , er, a bit dodgy. (And I say that as someone who's done WW2 Re-enactment for the last ten years)

Aitch

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I don't know how you can state it is dodgy. We aren't using deaths head SS. It is waffen infantry, who in there time were like the Marines or Para's of their time. They were just the elite german infantry. As a reenactor i thought you would have realised this a little more.

This is the first in a long series of games that we are planning in this game world. We have 2 more campaigns lined up to follow on from this one. The first will be a western front allies game, and the second a pacific basin U.S. based game.

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To my understanding, the SS was split in to the Allgemeine (general or universal) SS and the Waffen (fighting SS). To me, when someone uses the word 'Waffen' I associate it automatically with 'SS', and to me SS is still SS. If you meant the players would be from some of the 'elite' Heer (Army) units like the Grosdeutschland or 21st Panzer Divisions I appologise, but when I see the word 'Waffen' I make a (perhaps wrong) deduction. Waffen = SS. And of course if you wanted to use the equivilent of 'the paras' you've got the Fallschimjager who were a genuine elite.

OK, I'm not denying the Waffen SS were an elite and fearsome fighting force, but you have to admit some of that was due to their training and political indoctrination, which was pure Nazi. Even if they were no-where near the death camps, they were still SS, and if they had learned about the holocaust, many of them probably wouldn't have cared. And yeah, lots of Germans did join the SS because of its reputation as an elite unit. I'm sure lots of them didn't take part in any attrocities, and didn't know about the Death Camps, but it's a generalisation to say that they were all innocent. As early as 1940, as the BEF retreated towards Dunkirk, soldiers of the 1st SS (LAH) rounded up a bunch of British prisoners, herded them in to a barn and machine gunned them. The LAH were 'front line troops who hadn't been 'dehumanisated by the eastern front.

Not sure what you mean by 'Deaths Head SS'. If you mean the 3rd Waffen SS Panzer Division 'Totenkopf' (Deaths Head) I can see your point. The core of the Division was raised from Concentration Camp guards who the Nazis felt should see some time at the front. (In fact throughout the war there was an exchange program, where frontline Waffen SS troops served a tour as Concentration Camp guards to do their 'aryan duty').

All the front line 'Waffen' SS Divisions were implicated in atrocities of one sort or another, and in a way you can say that some of it happens in all wars - The British and Americans certainly did reprehensible things during the war too. But you can't deny there is a substantial question over the basic ideology of the SS.

I'm not saying don't run the game (it actually sounds an interesting idea), but I was just questioning the use of SS troops as player characters. For me, Waffen SS = bad guys. Yeah, i've run/co-run/crewed WW2 LRP games before, both 'historical and Call of Cthulhu Horror, and where we used SS, they were the bad guys.

If you set the game at the end of the war with a 'kampfgruppe' of mixed troops, you could have Heer Panzergrenadiers, poorley equipped Volksturm homeguard and Volksgrenadiers, Luftwaffe field divisions and a mix of civilians and chuck some Waffen SS in as the bad guys. As it is, i'd strongly recommend putting disclaimers all over your booking sheets saying that you in no way condone or support Nazi ideologies just to be on the safe side.

This (rather long) reply isn't meant to be nasty or aggressive, but I hope you see that it is possible to get the wrong end of the stick over it. gawd help us if the media got hold of something like that.

OK, and Cross Of Iron is a fantastic film.

Demarkation!

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The reason we want to use the Waffen as the emphasis for the game is for the roleplay. As you are aware they were formed in 1941 from many of the more elite Heer units, and as a result most of the actual soldiers were just that soldiers. Many of the officers and superior ranks were from the indoctrinated aspect of the Nazi party, many of the soldiers were just people following orders.

That is one fo the elements we wished to include in the game. The conflict between those that believed and those that followed orders. It is all about the roleplay. We want to have the conflict that was inherant in that situation.

Many lay-people don't know the Waffen and the SS are th same thing. If you mention the Waffen, they presume just an elite military force, if you mention the SS they presume concentration camps and totenkopf.

Just last weekend i was at a WWII reenactment, where all of the germans were Waffen Infantry.

Plus the Waffen looked good.

At the end of the day we are not gonna run a game involving the more deplorable sides of the SS. We are going to run a game about the story of a Waffen Infantry unit, soon after the inception of the Waffen through to the conclusion of the war.

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Fair do, I've said my piece. I still think it's a controvertial and contentious issue, but you obviously appreciate that, and good luck with it. This sort of subject is always going to provoke strong feelings and I'm still dubious about painting the whole 'Waffen' organisation with a single brush (one way or the other).

I wasn't aware that the Waffens had been raised from Heer troops in 41. I'd assumed they were raised from the paramilitary SSVT units that had fought in Poland and France in 39/40, boosted up to divisional level. (ie the 'Die Reich' Regiment became the 2nd Das Reich Divison). But i could be wrong about that. 

I still think it could be healthy to have a mix of characters from average German line units in there somewhere (as NPCs posssibly), for balance, but that's purely a personal opinion.

Let us know how it goes. Obviously if you were going to run a British based game we might be interested...

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Having just had an interesting discussion with my associate in this project, and due to huge demand, we have brought forward our plans a little, and can announce the second part of the campaign.

The first Allies game will run in October of this year. Set in the aftermath of the Dunkirk evacuation, it will tell the story of a group of Allied prisoners from that time.

More details to follow. Or email me at benjyh2001@yahoo.co.uk

And you are correct in the formation of the Waffen. The initial troops came from the political wings, but then almost immeadiately they started to rebrand Army units into the Waffen.

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They are also accomodating if you have a big enough group and want custom senarios

If the Allied Dunkirk thing does not appeal what about the aftermath of the D-Day landings and the fights through the Bocage

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