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Posted Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:36 PM
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http://jiituomas.livejournal.com/6829.html

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Posted Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:02 AM
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The beauty of the current LRP scene is its variety, each event designs its own style. Calling it a manifesto is just pretentious.

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Posted Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:11 AM
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He's pretentious, arrogant and advocates a theory of LARP that I disagree with.

What? You asked for thoughts, not reasoned discussion.


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Posted Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:29 AM


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Man in Blue (11/16/2006)
He's pretentious, arrogant and advocates a theory of LARP that I disagree with.

Whilst at the same time saying that these were his rules and other people should follow their own? Unusual way to be arrogant...

I like manifestos, they're very European (alright Scandinavian) but I think they help to focus the mind on what issues are central and what aren't. Other people's manifestos tell you something about their games, and how they approach creating them. It's a like condensing a single style down to a set of bullet points.


History is an important source for LRP. Along with other works of fiction.
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Posted Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:45 AM


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It's interesting to get a look at how other people do things- as for the arrogance, I got the feeling that his tongue was firmly planted in his cheek.
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Posted Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:06 PM
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The guy has taken the time to try and distill his method of running an event, that in itself is worthy of praise, it means he is stopping to think about what he is running rather than being half arsed about it.

He mentions more than once that these are his own views and that some of them are there almost purely to invite scorn or be laughed at, he also makes it clear that he doesn't expect anyone else to adhere to his ideals.

When I read:

2. The crucial component of a good game is a correct selection of players. Everything else is secondary.
Reality: Partially true. These days I believe in an equation of "player selection + good concept + sufficient game preparation = at least 80% of the potential a larp has to succeed". But of those three, good players are still the most important thing. Even a lousy larp can be great with good people, but with bad players everything falls apart - regardless of game concept.


I found myself shouting YES at the screen, what we do is all about who we do it with and how they apply themselves to doing it.

Some might suggest that the Northern European Larp takes itself too seriously but I like their approach, I like the way they push against stagnation and I like the way that they try to theorise and document what they do and how to do it better, how can that be a bad thing?


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Posted Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:24 PM
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Andy Rimmer (11/16/2006)
It's interesting to get a look at how other people do things- as for the arrogance, I got the feeling that his tongue was firmly planted in his cheek.

Fair call, I really only skim read it. The arrogance comes from a general history of reading Scandanavian stuff (because lets face it, they know their LARPs are better), as well as exponents of the style here on Pagga.


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Posted Thursday, November 16, 2006 2:54 PM
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there's no such word as diegetically either......
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Posted Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:43 PM


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Jenko (11/16/2006)
Some might suggest that the Northern European Larp takes itself too seriously but I like their approach, I like the way they push against stagnation and I like the way that they try to theorise and document what they do and how to do it better, how can that be a bad thing?

I'm also an admirer of the dedication with which the Scandinavians approach LRP, but personally I find the attempt to "theorise" about it to be unhelpful. I suspect this comes from five years working as a PhD student, but I hate research papers, I find them to be unreadable jargon-filled texts. But at least the papers I had to read contained some fragments of truth.

From the little I've seen, the key trend in modern analysis for "artistic" things is to inflate weak ideas by inventing terms that don't mean anything at all to detour around them. All hail Jacques Derrida, lord of the absurd. I'm sorry but I think that "academic papers" on LRP should be published in Social Text, right after Alain Sokal's paper.

In my opinion the need to make academic journals out of LRP derives from a basic insecurity. This is a stupid hobby, we dress us as goblins, hit each other with rubber swords and cast spells at each other. To counter that basic foolishness, I think some folk seek to establish LRP as a