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| Yeah, except that the school in question is in fact a Church of England School and everyone, the local muslim MP and the leader of the local muslim womens group included, agrees that she is out of order. As for BA, well, this is a christian country, for better or worse, and they are going to get in serious trouble if they, as a corporation, start dabbleing in social engineering. It didn't go too well when they tried to ditch the flag, seems they have failed to learn from that.
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re: Muslim teacher-Maybe they should have thought of that when they appointed her- presumably she also wore a veil at her interview- and informed them of her religion on the equal ops monitoring form that gets sent out with all application packs- unless of course they (like most schools) ignored the recritment process entirely and employed her because she was a friend of someone. In which case they deserve everything they're going to get when she sues them for unfair /constructive dismissal.
As for the UK being a Christian country- is it? There are more practising Muslims than Christians, mainly because it's actually more of a "couldn't give a toss country"
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| Opinion on the original question. Two people go into a bank both with their faces covered. One is female middle aged and arabic, the other is male teenaged and white. How is the security guard suposed to act? I hope they are both treated respectfully and asked to either remove their masks or leave. Respect is important, but it doesn't over ride comon sense.
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Andy Rimmer (10/15/2006) re: Muslim teacher-Maybe they should have thought of that when they appointed her- presumably she also wore a veil at her interview- Nope, she admits she didn't wear her veil when she was interviewed, by a male, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6053298.stm (its near the bottom)
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| When interviewed on sky news she claimed that the interview began with a female, the male later entered the room. Which still i doesn't make it right. guess she is paying for not puting it on once he had entered, which is what she says she has to do when she is working at the school. Sky didn't cover the schools denomination just that she was to help muslim children intergrate with english culture. Which as was pointed out is a contradiction. Thanks for the extra info, should stop thinking sky has all the answers, (which is another thread)
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In the case of the teacher, it could well be that she chose not to wear the veil at the interview because she felt it likely that she'd be discriminated against and not get the job....
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| ...Has anyone been paying attention to the Italian viewpoint on this? Anyway. .... You know everytime an Orangeman marched down a particular road in belfast he was just affirming his identity. His culture. And when the KKK went about in their full body veils, they were allegedly celebrating their culture and protecting their spirituality too. And every time in Britain that a family clandestinely hushes up an honor killing or circumcises a baby girl. Its part of an ancient cultural tradition. Of bullshit. No one has the right in this country to walk down the street with genital torture implements applied to themselves in public view. No one has the right to walk down the street nude. Why is the reverse the case? Dont I have a right to wear my cock ring proudly in public? As far as Im concerned everyone including employers are allowed to ask you to remove the full body smock of judgement and intimidation - As frankly its imposing a sexist, recidivist and fundamentalist interpretation of an otherwise progressive religion on your fellow human being. We treat each other as equals. Equals with the same standards. In your house you can watch porn, own a shotgun and wear a full body veil while getting licked by a daschund - Its your choice, your option. I agree that there is an Islamophobic culture being grown here - And its getting encouraged by Fundamentalist Islamic organisations that wish to retain their cultural rights of exploitation misery and inequality on their community. Encouraged as every time this conflict occurs their dread fear of a culture in which the Fundamentalists have to recognise the rights of their own people draws further away. ...I've lived in the cultural experiment front line to know that theres some brilliant people out there in all cultures. And that its typically the old men with beards who tell you whats right and wrong who are the real bastards. Fight the dark with the light of loving comedy. Dont tear off veils. If someone wants to willing make themselves a victim of a persecutory dogma - You can only help them by fighting against that dogma. Not them. And lets be clear the enemy is never Islam or Christianity or even Nationalism - Its the Fundamentalist bastards who use their twisted interpretations to feed their own lust for power. Because they have small genitals. *I really shouldnt drink coffee on Prozac*
But if you really *want* to bug Me and are still trying because I didnt put the damm contact field in properly.... Thegamefinisher@yahoo.co.uk
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Human Rights are not absolute- The right to not be hungry, the right to an education, the right to have ones voice listened to- all vary from culture to culture and nation to nation, as do many others.
"If I live in a country wear the average person eats three bowls of rice a day and I get four-then I am a rich man. If I live in a country where the average person eats a balanced diet, but I have four bowls of rice I am a pauper" (Paulo Frier- although the quote may be a little out- a man who pretty much invented Human Rights)
I think we are talking cross purposes (I hope). I am not saying that in this world Human Rights ARE being treated as equal, I'm saying they should be. If a "right" isn't univeral and fundamental, it's not really a "right" is it?
If we have a right to life - then that should universal, surely? Otherwise it means the Nazi's were ok to do what they did, or the Stalinists, or the Raj, or Saddam or whoever. If you go down the road of cultural relativism trumping rights it justifies anything you want: torture, genocide, rape, forced marriages, FGM and so on.
I've lived in the cultural experiment front line to know that theres some brilliant people out there in all cultures. And that its typically the old men with beards who tell you whats right and wrong who are the real bastards.
what cultural experiment was that then? Sounds Interesting.
Fight the dark with the light of loving comedy. Dont tear off veils. If someone wants to willing make themselves a victim of a persecutory dogma - You can only help them by fighting against that dogma. Not them.
This is exactly what I was saying earlier - the person is the sacred thing to be treasured, not the ideas they might have.
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