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Hmmm, seems this thread has died. Hows this for a bit of necromancy:
If wearing a veil is all down to choice, why does it's wearing only apply to women, not men?
Since It's a cultural thing (most notably, full burkhas being endorsed enforced by the Taliban) is wearing one a symbol of support for said oppressive ideals and regimes?
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| It applies to women because of cultural tradition (and probably some religious writings somewhere - other than the Koran), and thus wouldn't apply to men (I suspect). It is not a symbol of such support in my eyes, though I suppose some people might see it as such when they look at people in full burkhas, and some people probably do wear them in support of said regime (or because they're 'forced' to). Seems like a pointless question Tart!
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Tart (10/12/2006)
Since It's a cultural thing (most notably, full burkhas being endorsed enforced by the Taliban) is wearing one a symbol of support for said oppressive ideals and regimes?
Umm, the wearing of a football shirt may indicate support of said football team, but it in no way indicates support for football hooliganism
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There you go again, Feral! Involving formal logic in a discussion that could so easily have remained pure polemic and opinion.
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But if it's a cultural thing that only applies to women, that by definition is inheriently sexist. And surely sexism is a bad thing?
The main thrust of football teams is to play football (or make money if you want to be cynical) not football violence, so you have a point on that front.
However, we aren't talking about football here we are talking cultural/religious symbology. Wearing a burkha (full robes with face covering veil which is basicly what we are talking here - aren't we?) gives out a strong message as to ones beliefs/affiliations. Just a catholic wearing a crucifix, or a hare-krisna wearing robes.
I would put it to you that the main thrust of organisations that are fundamentally associated with wearing of a burkha (such as the taliban, and other fundamental organisations) is to spread Sharia law and all the inherient abuses of human rights that entails. Whether the individual in question agrees or not, you have to say it gives out a strong message.
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| It's only an abuse of human rights from our western view point- you don't know what the average Afghan thinks about it. Perhaps they think that allowing the fashion industry to promote unhealthy weight loss through the use of stick thin models is a Human rights abuse (actually I think that too), or that sending Royal Marines to overthrow their Gov't was an abuse of Human rights. They may even think that sexualising young people before they reach puberty is an abuse of human rights- in the West we generally just accept these things, if we even notice them at all. We only hear the stories of those who didn't approve of the regime and left. So try to remember that your outrage could be someone else's normality.
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Please see my other post about Human Rights trumping Cultural Relativism.
If we have Human Rights, they are fundamental.
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So the UK should be condemned for encouraging women to wear not enough clothing, in contravention of human rights?
Or for adopting US culture all over the place? (which sends out a clear message about our support for human rights abuse in Guantanamo, etc)
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