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| I do not let my children harass total strangers - we are traders, she has her own part of the stall. I had no intention of getting "angry" with said idiot - merely assertive and surely a response of "f**k off is a more inappropriate reaction and doesnt teach a very good lesson either. At the time I was unaware that it had occured until she came over sobbing as I was dealing with other customers.
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Sounds like less of a "kids at LRP" problem to me if it was in an OOC trading area and more a child labour issue. 7 year olds being forced to sell goods to make a living indeed... 
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| Swearing at a kid and making them cry, it really gets me down when I hear about the idiots in LRP. Elstar, if you know who it was please do make sure you have a word with him. That sort of behaviour is completely unacceptable anywhere. Be it at Alton Towers, in the street or if a kid wandered into a brothel.
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I don't think that there's any justification for telling a 7-year-old at an LRP event to "Fuck off", unless they're repeatedly thumping you too hard with an LRP weapon while you're trying to do something else, and you've already asked them to stop and told them to go away.
If I were trading, I wouldn't be happy if any customer told someone to "fuck off" at my stall....
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Ian Sturrock (10/4/2006) I don't think that there's any justification for telling a 7-year-old at an LRP event to "Fuck off", unless they're repeatedly thumping you too hard with an LRP weapon while you're trying to do something else, and you've already asked them to stop and told them to go away.
If I were trading, I wouldn't be happy if any customer told someone to "fuck off" at my stall....Your points are certainly valid. However I think you're unlikely to recieve sympathy or an understanding view if your intention is to be 'assertive' with someone a year after the event for an incident that you never witnessed as seems to be the case. Especially if your contention was that the child was 'roleplaying its little heart out' (despite the fact that the parent did not in fact witness the event) and you then go on to reveal that the customer wasn't roleplaying as it was a traders area (despite again the fact that they never witnessed said confrontation.) As I suspected this is not in fact a case of a roleplayer actually being rude its a case of reported heresay from a seven year old child. Whilst telling a child (or anyone really) to fuck off without provocation is mean and not something I would particularly condone, reporting something as a factual happening when you never actually saw anything happen is ruder. I'm fairly sure in fact that children are not regularly sworn at at events. If it does happen its more likely a lack of attention or merely forgetting oneself on the part opf the player rather than intentional cruelty. It certainly isn't common at any event Ive been at. (though maybe there are some more rabidly child unfriendly persons out there im not aware of...)
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I certainly don't support telling children (or adults) to "Fuck Off". That said - Nor would I particularly expect to be approached by an unaccompanied minor who is a complete stranger in an OOC area. I might well respond equaly snappily.
Does it add to the contention that I have no issue about people swearing in front of young children (rather than at young children which is a different issue) in the manner they would in front of adults. I think it's a very bizarre tradition of social segregation.
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| Personally, I don't like dogs being at LARP events. This is mostly because I am afraid of dogs (after being bitten by a dog that was on a lead and knocked over by a dog that wasn't, and generally not having very good experiences with dogs) and so seeing a dog knocks me straight out of character into 'argh OOC physical danger'. In general, though, a dog is just an animal and you can't explain appropriate behaviour to it, if it feels threatened by all of these shouting people attacking its owner (and confused when its owner falls over and lays still and doesn't reassure it) it is quite likely to get underfoot / attack people for real. I must admit I don't really know about the possibilities of training dogs, though; it's possible you can actually train your dog to stay out of the way during combat and generally not get in the way, and that kind of dog would be okay. Children, again, it's a matter of 'how well trained are they'. I have met very small children who are quite capable of comprehending most things and acting appropriately, and would generally be less disruptive than many of the adults who still haven't learnt this. There doesn't seem to be a hard age category at which a small child stops being an incurable muppet, it depends on the child. I would like to see more *sensible* young children at LARP events (although I can understand that there are probably insurance implications); children who can't abide by the rules, or drop out of character at common IC occurances like swearing, aggressive behaviour, and so forth, should be dealt with in the same way as adults who do these things. I suspect I'm quite heartless on this issue though and hence wouldn't personally moderate my behaviour around children just because they were children, but some people might do or might expect this and that might cause unnecessary drama.
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| Actually thats a point I hadnt thought about.. there are quite a proportion of people who are actually scared of dogs... so it might put them off. Hmmm... id say you can demonstrate appropriate behaviour to a dog... but it is Extremely dependent on the owner and the dog involved.... I think it would probbably only ever be sensible on a case by case basis given the action and excitment involved.
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