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| Even if you are chucked in prison in a country that stops you getting cash for your works there's bound to be ways round it with clever accountants. So I suppose it comes down to a case by case decision by the consumer. I don't buy much media - be it art, music, novels etc. But I suppose if and when I do, I certainly think of whose gonna be making money out of the transaction. I'd be more worried that I'd be 'buying into' the world the artist is creating. Can a person be intellctually poisoned/infected?
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| Sorry, I realise that I didn't make my earlier point clear - the risk of bashing a post out quickly while you're meant to be supervising a detention. My objection to buying Burzum records if any of the money went to Grishnack is based purely on the fact that he has clearly stated that he would use any such royalties to fund the Neo-Nazi activist organisations he is involved with - organisations who support and endorse racially motivated violent attacks - rather than some concept of "not paying the evil people". Shelford - Its the end of a long day, and I'm unfortunately struggling with the words to describe my objections, hence this reply will be rather shoddy, but I find the idea of "buying into the artist's world" quite an unpleasant one. I personally listen to a lot of musicians with beliefs I find distateful and flawed, and have never had a problem buying into their artistic world without gaining any more sympathy for their beliefs. I personally draw the line at bands like Screwdriver, for whom the music seems to be nothing more than a vessel for the message, but artists like Burzum, Dissection (before they went shit) and Revenge are capable of making music which carries the powerful conviction and menace of their beliefs, without necessarily forcing the message of those beliefs on the listener.
No spoken or written word can ever be a substitute for one's own practical experience. No-one too can convince another who does not wish to believe what he is told - only the doubter loses by his incredulity - T.C. Lethbridge
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Yeah I suppose Richie my comment did sound a bit too uch like the 'rock music will rot your brain/ turn you into a satanist. Consider my wrists slapped.
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| On a not completely unrelated note, the turner prize is coming up. I'd say that's pretty strong evidence that art's not divorced from the artist. After all, anyone could make something which wouldn't look out of place next to some entries. Think up a reason why it's good, then chuck in something vaguely "sexual" and you might even win. But that never happens because all the turner entries are by respected artists, and everyone knows they'd never chuck something together the night before and bareface their way through. So, it works one way and sometimes makes people part with money. But looked at objectively, the artist can't affect the piece remotely any more than he can prove the existence of god (Oh yes. I went there.). If you didn't know who'd made what you'd have nothing to go on but the pieces actual merit. Coming at the problem from the other direction, I've been wondering for some time about "character bleed". Someone playing a foul mouthed brigand might swear profusely afterward for example. I've thought about this along the lines of my current PC, who just happens to be evil. And not the usual madcap evil, we're talking serious calculated malevolence, a Hannibal Lector of the fantasy world. Thing is I'm not just reading lines, the thought processes have to be generated on the fly. Is this kind of intellectual exercise harmful? Could someone genuinely moral honestly keep something like that up, even if it is only "an act"? Are we really assuming personae for our art? J~
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Wag
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Shelford (10/2/2006)
Even if you are chucked in prison in a country that stops you getting cash for your works there's bound to be ways round it with clever accountants. So I suppose it comes down to a case by case decision by the consumer. I don't buy much media - be it art, music, novels etc. But I suppose if and when I do, I certainly think of whose gonna be making money out of the transaction. I'd be more worried that I'd be 'buying into' the world the artist is creating. Can a person be intellctually poisoned/infected? Really? Honestly? No Music, No films... you dont go to the cinema, you don't buy CDs... Do you watch the TV? Listen to the Radio? Most people consume more media than they think on any given day, most people spend more on media than they truly realise.
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| I dont know if you could call playing a role in a larp 'art', to qualify in this thread. Similar things have been covered in the therapy thread. I suppose some people might call what actors do as an 'art form'. And the distinction between an role and the actor is something they have to deal with all the time. Its something probably wouldn't be an issue with practice. The big distinction between acting and roleplaying to me is, we dont do it for show. Which I think would remove it from art? Ok so I dont know much about art theory, could be wrong. Anyway, larping is normally inclusive. So not being people who advocate the murder of a race or people means we are probably exempt from the topic of this thread.
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| Art divorced to the artist? On a LRP angle I have considered whether or not to attend a game based on the organisers Live Journal/Blog rants. A game may look good but the organiser is an arse, stops me attending.
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Lol. I didn't have the benefit of Wikipedia when I was 17.... I was unreliably informed the band were a slovenian fascist band. That alone didn't bother me at all, but the music is chilling, their cover of the Beatles "Let it Be" album, chanting "Get Back, Get Back, Get Back to where you once belonged" exactly like a fascist mob chant is really quite unpleasant.
Of course, with the help of Wikipedia I now realise that it was all a clever postmodernist satire to show how "subversive interpretation twists the melody into a sinister, rolling military march. The refrain...giving an eerie example of the sensitivity of its lyrics to context." But I suspect if I listened to it today it would still sound more like hate-mongering and less like satire to me.
To whit the point is that I don't give a damn for the politics of the artist, what I care about is the politics of the art.
History is an important source for LRP. Along with other works of fiction.
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