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Flannel (9/20/2006)
a)overburdens an NHS which cannot cope with demands fo vitaly important stuff like Dialysis machines or enough fucking cleaners to make sure there is no Dihorrehea on the beds. Yet is expected to pay tens of thousands of pounds so some greedy bitch and her partner can pop out some foul spawn.
I don't think that is entirely fair. I know lovely people who've tried IVF. And to be fair, it only being available privately is going to ensure that the majority of people who can try it are wealthier than average and therefore possibly preselected for avarice.
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balor (9/20/2006)
- You really do not need children to have a complete life. You really don't. Those who think they do are often deluded about it. More often than not, they need counselling for insecurity issues and despression than a child. More often than not, the child makes things worse - often to the detriment of the child.
Though I certainly agree that this should be a comparitively low priority the vast majority of this statement is idle conjecture. Who on earth are you to say what other people need to feel that they are leading a complete life, where they achieve all the things they want to in their lifetime?
I mean, always imagining that you'll have kids at some point in your life, and then finding out that you're completely infertile, like my aunt, is not the same as always imagining that you'll be a fighter pilot and then finding out that you aren't quite smart or committed enough.
As for adoption, the problem is that no-one wants to be the person who signs a child over to a psycho/paedo, regardless of the fact that they're virtually guaranteed to be abused in some way while in care - well, actually that's improved somewhat in recent years but it's still a way higher incidence rate than in the general population.
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Wen Jian (9/30/2006)
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I don't think that is entirely fair. I know lovely people who've tried IVF. And to be fair, it only being available privately is going to ensure that the majority of people who can try it are wealthier than average and therefore possibly preselected for avarice.*nods* Quite.... though I don't pay taxes to fund private treatments... I object to society being expected to pay for it. Tragically we live in a capitalist world where you can pay for anything if you want it... I dont want to suggest otherwise. Personally I'd rather the whole thing was just not available at all... but then I'd force doctors trained by the public to work for the public for at least some of their career... so there would be fewer private doctors around.
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Flannel (10/3/2006)
Personally I'd rather the whole thing was just not available at all... but then I'd force doctors trained by the public to work for the public for at least some of their career... so there would be fewer private doctors around.The NHS is way ahead of you, mate - Doctors, I think, and certainly consultants, are required by law to spend the majority of their time on NHS work for several years after qualifying. The problem is that many don't, and you can't tell people that they aren't allowed to do a second job (ie private consultation) after their NHS hours are met, which to my mind will always lead to temptation and a conflict of interest.
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If I'd spent 10 years or so learning my trade as a surgeon, only to find no job in the NHS at the end of it I'd be fairly pissed if I couldn't work in private practise.
This has just happened to a friend of mine- less than a year after being allowed into the RCS, NHS cuts have resulted in less surgeons, so she's out of a job.
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I guess that the problem is that the system for recruitment of healthcare professionals clearly doesn't have a decent plan. I mean, the system shells out a lot for the training and support of medical students - a lot more than is provided for the vast majority of students. Why it does this only to then allow people to take specialisations that are simply not required? I can see that it may not seem fair to limit the opportunity of would be doctors, surgeons etc, but hey - just a thought, why not look at it as the NHS paying for the training of staff it actually needs?
Of course if a public servant ends up redundant they should be allowed to practise privately - but it should not be the case that the NHS shells out thousands for a consultant to train, only for them to skip merrily off into the wilderness and devil take the taxpayer.
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And as for the burden on the NHS - infertile couple are a drop in the ocean. It's all those old people that smoked all their lives, drank, never ate a a balanced diet or got exercise that are screwing the system for the rest of us! Let 'em rot I say!
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Andy Rimmer (10/6/2006)
If I'd spent 10 years or so learning my trade as a surgeon, only to find no job in the NHS at the end of it I'd be fairly pissed if I couldn't work in private practise.
This has just happened to a friend of mine- less than a year after being allowed into the RCS, NHS cuts have resulted in less surgeons, so she's out of a job.Thankyou for your assessment of the situation as it is now; your insight is as ever a valuable destruction of my point. Strangely I didnt think we should solely change the system in one area, I would invisage that we might use rather more surgeons than the NHS. On the other hand.... WTF! jeesus wheres she work? Parts of the country are crying out for surgeons. That sucks greatly.
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