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Artmeister
 
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| <Semi Rant mode initiated> So, kids are going to start getting taught how to be British in classes, in a move to intergrate Muslims better to our ways and traditions. I personally don't mind my kids having to learn what I suppose will be "The importance of being a Brit", but will it be at the cost of not learning something else? I mean, will other important subjects suffer as a result of having a bit less time spent learning proper subjects? What next? With the event of the July 7th attacks, rather than toughen up with these would be extremists, or those who may become them, I fear that all these lessons will teach the kids will be that the British have become a load of pansies that can be walked all over when it comes to immigrants and spongers, murderers and paedos. <End semi rant mode>
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Wag
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What would they teach? Most of us aren't British-we're Roman, English, Irish, Danish, Norwegian, German, Norman,etc these islands have been the last destination of every migration since mankind first got itchy feet, and the only real British live in isolated pockets in the West and get accused of racism and ignorance when they try to preserve their culture (and even they came here from the continent).
So maybe being "British" is getting used to your neighbours coming from somewhere else, or maybe it's accepting that one of the consequences of building your economy on the backs of conquered peoples, then using them as unskilled labour, is that you end up with a multi- cutural society, in which some of our newer citizens are bright enough to recognise which end of the shitty stick they've been offered and then look for ways to get the clean end.
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Heroic Knight
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the problem being for many years england has been ashamed of its heratage...
one only has to look at morris dancers, and the whole may polething to see that england is sorta ashamed of its heratage
in other countries children are educated in their own personal folk law, traditions etc but in england it is marginalised and labled as odd...
i think it would be good o have some good old brittish pride in schools but at what costs... children of a none english nationality (say children of imigrans... children who have imigraed etc) may feel like they dont belong if hey dont understand whats going on in the class room
what the schools would be beter doing is being more equal with its multicultularity... i mean not so much haveing the main focus on other countries but doing equal amounts of cultural envolvement... exploring traditions of england and other countries... perhaps in re/ pe or something
the problem being is the money it costs... the schools are broke as it is
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Wag
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I sort of agree with you Rannak- we wouldn't have so many problems if we celebrated the variety of UK cultures equally with children, the trouble is many "olde englishe customes" became illegal- because of their Pagan roots- so things like morris dancing and maypoles only survived by mocking themselves and hiding their true meaning (kind of like Irish comics in the 70's) or by going underground completely.
The other problem is that you (and most of us)automatically refer to English customs- in the mistaken belief that there isn't much difference between English and Welsh, Cornish, Irish, Scots, Northumbrians, Cumbrians etc, etc. In fact each region's people's are very different- The village I live in is only 15 or so miles from Chester, yet the 1st language isn't English and the customs definitely aren't, yet even here people call themselves and the language they speak "Welsh" not realising that it's the Aenglish word for foreigner ( or Slave- the two meanings were interchangable).
One reason why "foreign" culture is taught in schools is because "British" is so diverse as to be almost non existant- and what's left is either crap (Yorkshire pudding and Chips type stuff) or bloody embarassing ( The Empire and the Slave Trade)- or so steeped in pagan new ageness that would it sentence any teachers career to death if they dared to bring it up in a lesson
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Heroic Knight
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yeah i agree...
its just a shame that english has lost a great chunk of its heratage... the people who maintain the traditions are now so marginalised that they become cultural oddities which people usualy stear clear of... its a shame realy as i think weare missig out on a treasue whch will soon disapear
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Wag
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| Maybe you had to lose those things to achieve what is now percieved as English. Much of what you regret the loss, of hearkens back to a freedom which isn't compatible with conquest and empire building, while for those who were conquered- hanging on to those traditions enabled their culture to survive?
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| Wow... another educational fad. That's just what teachers need. Is this supposed to be in addition to "citizenship" lessons or in replacement? I know I'm going to love seeing the teaching materials that the government is going to send out. The New Labour definition of "British". Can't wait. "Multiculturalism" as adopted by the British government seems to revolve around targetting funding according to ethnicity. Imagine if a company did that with its departments; you'd have massive fights over funding. Unsurprisingly a similar result is observed in society. Being polite to people seems to have become over rated. Parents raising their kids so that they'll cooperate with authority figures has also stopped. If you get rid of all the things that hold a society together, then of course it will fly apart, and, quite frankly, I find it hard to blame "Muslims" (to quote the original post) for not wanting their children to become rude, disrespectful, ill-educated little shits whose sole aim in life is to get wasted. Why should people want to become "integrated" when that seems to be a really bad idea?
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Wag
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I think it'll probably be part of Citizenship- it's completely crazy, if we carry on like this all the parent will be responsible for is providing eggs and sperm-oh and paying fines (if they're working).
Just out of interest we already target resources based on "deprivation" so if your community isn't fucked you don't get any resources until it is. (At work we call it the post code lottery)
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