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n a similar but not-entirely related theme - while the avenger had a large A as part of his mask, and people were seeing this as a soul symbol.. I've seen a few people playing kamakurans who have a bandana/cloth band round their heads, which feature symbols prominently on the front. Which has caused me quite a bit of confusion - yes, OOC, I know its a good reference to Asian culture (or the movie versions at least), but the ones with the chinese characters/symbols on the forehead are VERY confusing. Especially since a lot of soul symbols look like chinese characters.
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| Posted Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:04 PM |
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Nathanael (7/29/2010)
To be honest, the people with those attitudes should be ignored.
This for truth.
I pay to come along to events to play dressy up and let's pretend. The day I represent PD I expect my opinion to be respected. Until then I'm just another hollow voice shouting in the wilderness.
And the day I think I can shout down and try to hound other players out of the hobby, please shoot me.
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| Posted Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:32 PM |
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wychboy (7/29/2010)
n a similar but not-entirely related theme - while the avenger had a large A as part of his mask, and people were seeing this as a soul symbol.. I've seen a few people playing kamakurans who have a bandana/cloth band round their heads, which feature symbols prominently on the front. Which has caused me quite a bit of confusion - yes, OOC, I know its a good reference to Asian culture (or the movie versions at least), but the ones with the chinese characters/symbols on the forehead are VERY confusing. Especially since a lot of soul symbols look like chinese characters.
In fact, the rules regarding soul symbols specifically suggest something in the style of chinese characters/symbols.
In fact, let me look up the exact wording.
"Ideally, a soul symbol should be similar to a character from an oriental alphabet, and stand out from any surrounding make-up or prosthetics."
It's compounded by some eidelons wearing their soul symbols on pieces of kit (bandanas etc) which in theory don't come off. (I'm guessing an allergy to the facepaint being the main reason for that). It sort of lends credence to the idea that the soul symbol might be that thing on the bandana or headband for the regular Kamakuran.
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| Posted Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:02 PM |
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I'm failing here on not responding was going to say my piece and leave it but hey ho...
As has been agreed before rule7 is not a good sampler and as with most of these things only the few who feel passionate about these topics go to the bother of posting so I think this sweeping statement of "majority" is a little skewed.
I think there probably is a level of people trying to play two different games here, personally I play for the social aspects and enjoy entertaining people, I do enjoy the political side but don't get too involved in it.
I also "pay money" to attend the games as do all those who attend the Novak show whom also pay IC money to watch the shows, we generally fit 60 + into the show tent for each show twice on Saturday night and then turn quite a number away who turned up too late to get in, we even have people queuing over an hour before shows to guarantee themselves a seat so I think there is a reasonable percentage of Maelstrom players who do like the element of the game we provide.
In all honesty there aren't normally as many OOC references in our shows as you may think, Bastard avenger play was heavier on this than normal but while trying to entertain people and come up with new material in under six week I would be surprised if we could ever exclude all OOC reference/inspiration and tbh the show would be less entertaining if we did. It is not our goal include OOC references and certainly not to annoy people when they creep in, I guess there would be far less issue if the BA had stayed on stage only.
As for Rog's legs, just come and examine how well they are costumed, they don't look mechanical to me IC, and even if they did, we have mechanical arms in the game so wouldn't be out of keeping.
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| Posted Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:18 PM |
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wychboy (7/29/2010)
n a similar but not-entirely related theme - while the avenger had a large A as part of his mask, and people were seeing this as a soul symbol.. I've seen a few people playing kamakurans who have a bandana/cloth band round their heads, which feature symbols prominently on the front. Which has caused me quite a bit of confusion - yes, OOC, I know its a good reference to Asian culture (or the movie versions at least), but the ones with the chinese characters/symbols on the forehead are VERY confusing. Especially since a lot of soul symbols look like chinese characters.
waves hand hello.
in fact almost all the mokosh in the current kamakuran colony wear a head band with a symbol on it, the colour of the cloth denotes which clan they are from.
In the case of one clan they have been around since event 1 and the other clan 7 events now.
Sorry if it causes confusion but people have come up to us before and asked if we were immortal beings etc and its lead to some funny roleplay. In my eyes its an item of clothing its not a symbol on our skin (or fur) thus not a soul symbol, we are not breaking any costume rules by doing it and frankly given that one clan has been doing it since the game started its probably a little late to change it now.
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| Posted Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:28 PM |
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Shuttley (7/29/2010)
I guess there would be far less issue if the BA had stayed on stage only.
Entirely, People going into the show kow there will be a bit of OOC humour and are ready for it.
Out on the feild, we really had to work hard to keep everything in game.
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| Posted Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:51 PM |
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Actually, I believe that ANY symbol on your forehead is breaking the costuming rules... :/
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| Posted Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:57 PM |
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I will rephrase then, when the charachters were created they had their pictures taken by god, if there was an issue with headbands and symbols and such then probably that should have been mentioned several years ago
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| Posted Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:04 PM |
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Shuttley (7/29/2010)
As has been agreed before rule7 is not a good sampler and as with most of these things only the few who feel passionate about these topics go to the bother of posting so I think this sweeping statement of "majority" is a little skewed.
No one has made a 'sweeping statement' of majority - I've only mentioned the fact that 'majority of responders' on the thread who aren't part of the show had a problem with the OOC references. I noted that rule7 is not a reliable method of sampling the playerbase early on in the thread - but that's not an excuse to just wave an issue away as 'only involving a handful of players'.
Shuttley (7/29/2010)
I think there probably is a level of people trying to play two different games here, personally I play for the social aspects and enjoy entertaining people, I do enjoy the political side but don't get too involved in it.
I absolutely agree - sometimes those there are multiple games explicitly supported within one system - i.e. religious groups and trade groups - if you have personally have a problem with religious groups, that's unfortunate but that was advertised as being part of the game when you paid so there aren't any grounds on which you can complain about it.
But that doesn't automatically apply to all the games which individuals might enjoy. I've been to big LT fest events and there are a lot of games that people enjoy that rely on being able to freely drop-in and out of character without asking permission - that's obviously a feature of LT fest events that attracts some players and repels others. Maelstrom, on the other hand, makes an unusually strong distinction and uses very strong terms to discourage players - again, that's an advertised feature that attracts some players and repels others.
I don't know what PD would say about intentional use of OOC jokes in public IC areas, but some players obviously *did* have a problem with it and can point at the webpage where the system-as-advertised seems to say that this sort of thing is, at the very least, discouraged. I really don't think you can wave that away with "well, if they don't like it, they'll have to lump it, we'll make OOC jokes if we think they're funny" unless PD clarify that intentionally making OOC jokes in IC areas is not discouraged.
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| Posted Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:08 PM |
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| I've recently had a conversation about this and I see exactly what the OP is talking about, have to agree to a degree. I was talking about a costume that I thought was utterly terrible, an Eidolon in white t-shirt, white jeans and a modern accessory. I've seen them before and didn't think much of it, presumed it was a first event, what they had to hand, BUT I've seen this character about a few times now and it really annoys me that they have put literally no effort into their costume in this time. Especially as an Eidolon, I ended up having to just try to ignore them. Larp costs money, that's a fact. But that can be mitigated by putting effort into it. And by effort that can be making kit yourself, or spending the time at Charity Shops and carboot sales finding kit on the cheap, effort. Even spending the time to ask around friends and such for things to borrow. There is a level of inconsideration about not putting effort into your costume, as you are not the only person at the game and it doesn't take much to get a passable shirt and trousers. -Vicki
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