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| Doncaster emos and some goth to be fair although its got more and more emo over the last couple of years is Blue Banana. Shefield for the geeks has patriot games for toys etc and there is a comic shop down the road from there the name escapes me but sells anime t shirts merchindice etc. In meadowhell there is quite a few geeky and goth shops and emo stuff wher I am the emo is taking over whih irritates me as I know cant wear the jacket I want without looking a mychemicaltoilet fan. (a 95th rifles jacket or black para dress jacket minus badges) There are a few great shops on doncaster market that cater for goths and emos with all sorts even alchemy gothic and pagan cloaks on a tuesday and friday
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paranoiddroid (4/8/2008)
Doncaster emos and some goth to be fair although its got more and more emo over the last couple of years is Blue Banana. Sheffield for the geeks has patriot games for toys etc and there is a comic shop down the road from there the name escapes me but sells anime t shirts merchindice etc. You're thinking of Sheffield Space Centre.
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PS: To be fair the goth movement is a thing of the 80s and today you only get posers dressed up in black and wearing black make up
I will say that the above comment from Azazel is the most ridiculous nonsense I've read on Rule 7 all day!
Aw, such heart worming words, Ian. Well done! 
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| Heart Worming- are you sure, sounds painful.
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Indeed.
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I did a questionairre for a friend last night on what it is to be Goth, focusing on abuse and violence from other social sub-cultures. She's following the work of the charity set up after the Sophie Lancaster murder. Don't know if it will help but here it is anyway...
Has the goth style and way of life, music etc been something that you have followed for your whole life?
From my early teens, I was brought into it by my sister with the music and later on I was introduced to the Gothic Scene in Chester but there's always been a passion for music and for the macabre, I'm a New Romantic at heart and believe there's something really magical about being a Goth and being in the Goth Scene.
How would you describe the goth lifestyle? is it all about gigs etc?
Being a Goth means many different things to many different people but I'm sure all of them would say that it's a way of life rather than a lifestyle. To many it is the music, to some it's instilled from birth but there's always something deep and passionate about it that means it's a lot more than just a lifestyle choice. It is very difficult to explain in words but if you ask any Goth they'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
What made you first decide to follow this group and live your life in this way?
I don't really see it like that, this is who I am, I don't live my life in any particular way, I just live my life. As I said it's a lot more than just a choice you make, once you're a Goth you're always a Goth at heart and I don't think it's something you consciously choose in the first place, there's no other real compadreship in any other sub culture of society that I can think of and that's the glue that holds the whole thing together.
What is it about the goth lifestyle that attracts you? is it just the music and fashion or is there a philosophy or way of living that comes with it?
For me it's always been a number of things, I've always loved live music and so the gigs/festivals have played a large part, but so has the clothing and the lifestyle which I love. I suppose more than anything it's the commardre though, Goths look out for eachother, you always give a long haired guy a nod in the street, there's always an unspoken/unwritten bond between you. I'm a romantic and an idealist and the Gothic Culture has always fuelled my passion for life.
Have you ever experienced prejudice or hate for the way that you have appeared?
Yes, I was working as a teachers assistant at a particuarly rough high school when I was 22, many of the pupils there turned up there nose and didn't really see me as a voice of authority although that was usually calmed down as soon as the lesson started. A few of the pupils actually looked up to me though, one inparticcular took me as a role model for a while until I had to politely ask him to stop. There have been many incidents in general life as well, not from the general populous but from a certain sect of society, what are generally known as Trendies/Townies/Scallies/Twoggers etc (Those that have been wrongly named in the media as "Chavs" although chav means something completely different) that do poke fun, laugh and are occasionally verbally and physically violent towards us.
Do you think that this is a problem that many goths, or alternative people have experienced?
Undoubtedly. This is a problem that stemmed back to the days of the Mods and the Rockers, there will always be conflict between the narrow minded knuckleheads and the more open minded pasafists and the pasafists will always be the victim in the conflict. I can't think of any Goth I know that would be openly agressive to another person.
Do you have any ideas as to why people choose to target goths?
Most Goths are pasafists. This makes us easy targets because we won't fight back. A lot of Goths would literally lie there and take a beating rather than retaliate. This is true of verbal abuse as well, most Goths would mutter something in return under their breath but wouldn't openly confront the person.
We are also an easy target because we stand out. Most abuse happens at night when out in pubs and clubs or on the way home from them, the whole fashion aspect of "Goth" in all it's sub-forms whether it be Cyber-Goth, Trad-Goth, New Romantic, Goth Metaller or New Age Goth, it all reeks of exuberance and excentricity while the people wearing them are usually very introvert and self-conscious.
The two things that Goths all have a lot of, no matter what their background or beliefs are passion and creativity. Whether it be art, poetry, music or any other creative form.
Do you think attitudes have changed over time?
I think people in general are a lot more tolerent now, especially after the tragic death of Sophie Lancaster, it's just a shame that it took an innocent girl to die to make some people change their minds and for others, the loss of life isn't even enough to shunt the prejudice.
Most of the government realises and appreciates the difference between the different sub-cultures of society and most people now do understand and even back the Gothic Scene. Police officials have even said that since the ASBOs were brought in, it's been a lot easier to help the Gothic Community from persecution by mindless thugs. The powers that be are on our side, they recognise us as a passafistic and majorly peaceful society. This can only be a good thing.
Why have you chosen to carry on living as a goth if there is this kind of prejudice?
It's who I am, I don't see myself as living like a Goth at all, I just live how I want to live. I am 24, male, I have long hair and a long goatee but I don't look right without it. (Plus, if I cut my hair I WOULD be murdered by at least 30 of my friends who have said if I ever do cut my hair they will kill me, haha) It's more than that though, apart from the superficial things, I love the culture, I love the history, I love the politics that go with it. I'm a complete idealist and without being "Goth" I can't really imagine how I could be who I am.
Do you think that the charity set up in Sophie Lancaster's name is a good thing?
First of all I'd like to give my deepest condolences to Rob and Sophie's families and friends, a tradgedy like this is insummountable and although no amount of words can truely ease the situation or make it any better, I hope that the realisation of what happened can bring around a change in the attitude towards the Alternative and Gothic scene in England and throughout the world.
I'd also like to say a very big thank you to North West Tonight for their special report on the case on 27/03/08. It was a heart felt message that really struck home the reality of the situation. It was handled in a sensitive yet poinient way that dealt not only with the case at hand but as well, with the far reaching reaction and outcome and what will happen next.
The North West has a huge and varied Gothic and Alternative scene, I've been witness and victim to some serious hate crime assaults on Goths. Sophie won't be forgotten and will live on through the actions of others.
Any answers that you can give me, or anything else that you would like to say in a similar vein would be greatly appreciated thanks very much for your time
There is so much I could say on this topic but it is so hard to put into words, being Goth can't be narrowed down and seperated into different components, it's a lot more than just a lifestyle. A lot of true traditional Goths would find it hard to answer this questionairre though because the first unwritten rule of being Goth... Deny you are a Goth. No Goth is true Goth if they say they are Goth, only inderviduals are True Goth.
What I've said here is mainly about the Goths but many of the other "Alternative" sub-cultures could be described in the same way, especially the compadreship and the passion and creativity.
Thank you very much.
Pete Matthews
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| In terms of where to buy in Nottingham, I like Ice 9, Blue Banana and all the retro shops. Theres a tonne of retro shops. Salamanders in derby is also ok, but a little bit bland. A lot of the teen stores (New Look, Primark) are starting to stock some interesting stuff as its popular now to look a wee bit emo/goth.
Give me what I want and maybe no one gets hurt
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